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I am tasked with designing a web page which will let a user
1) logon to the server with their username and password
2) let them enter their start/finish times for their shift

I have no idea what to google for, a lot of it is MS-centric.

Can anyone recommend a tutorial?
Even the basics, since I don't know if html/php/java/#@! is how to do it.

Being an ASM programmer, I would prefer the lowest level coding possible.
Understanding the underlying processes is important to me. Very Happy
That's why I dislike vb.net
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To clarify, do you want to write the web server entirely in assembly?

You can do that, of course. If so then search for sockets in Linux.

However, this isn't the lowest possible level, since you would still be using the Linux system interrupts and whatever drivers it is using for your hardware.
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Linux assembly is perhaps too low-level.
ASP.net is too high-level, besides being MS (I assume?)

As I understand it (or imagine it), putting an input textbox on a web page requires something other than html?

I have ignored web programming for so long, now I'm regretting it.
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You don't need anything other than HTML to have fully functioning web pages.

flatassembler.net works perfectly fine with only HTML.
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Quote:

1) logon to the server with their username and password

what username and password? integrate with linux os account?

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2) let them enter their start/finish times for their shift

means, we need to record the start, and finish, we need integration with database or sqlite, or just text file,

then we need a method to display those for person who need to calculate their finish minus start times,

if you go with .net, you probably solve a lot of problem, it doens't matter because your applciation is served through web browser,

you can mock a demo using .net and change other thing into low level as time goes by,

in fact, a html page with json to server php can complete your task too, in 1 hour i guess,

it just how we want to present the solution to our cilent,
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There is no need for complicating it with JSON. A normal form with POST (part of the HTML standard) works just fine.
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well, you can use javascript to hash those input if you like, or prefer,

or you can do it with normal form and enable https in your webserver if you like,

everything will just work, depend on how your want to present
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I see no need for JS. It doesn't add anything except complication.
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Quote:
what username and password? integrate with linux os account?

Yes, each user has an account on the server

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A normal form with POST (part of the HTML standard) works just fine.

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or you can do it with normal form and enable https in your webserver if you like,

Yes, this sounds good. It needs to be accessible from any device which is why I thought a web page would be the way.
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sinsi wrote:

Yes, each user has an account on the server

you start by design the database tables and its column, in here already you can design lots of ideas, and prepare for issues you might face,

1. what data you want to capture?

2. what if user forgot to log out, so you miss the end shift data (here javascript can save you)

3. do you want to capture total accumulate minutes? because the idea of start and end is basically all the in between,

what blurs me is, what you mean by each user has an accoutn on the server?

this might help
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2889995/how-to-make-php-lists-all-linux-users

depend on what language you intended to use on "server side"

or you can use Go lang if you like, or (i think you should have a check on dotnet core)

even a simple task to record in and out can grow into very huge thing in very short time,

sinsi wrote:
It needs to be accessible from any device

but why it needs to be accessible from any device?

i still not very sure what in out time you want to capture,

if you want to capture the session in out time when that particualr account logon and using the linux server, that is another different strategy,
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Posts discussing JS security have been moved to the JS thread.

https://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=13199
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OK, found a nice place - w3schools.com
Now learning html, css and php.
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I wouldn’t say it’s a nice place. In spite of its name it has almost nothing to do with W3C, and, frankly speaking, some pieces are quite arguable. Say, the idea of using style attribute to influence text appearance, thus mixing HTML with CSS in one of the first learning stages. Or no notion of physical vs. logical formatting, semantic markup, etc. The same stands for, say, PHP tutorial that seems to have no notion of SQL injections and XSS, even though it would be a good idea to pay attention to them in the MySQL section of their tutorial.

TL;DR: while it might be a good collection of information (MDN is better for client-side! and specs! and caniuse!), I wouldn’t recommend to treat the code examples and certain techniques shown there as something to reproduce in your future projects.
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well, one gotta start somewhere right,

familiar with the basic syntax and frequent use functions, i think w3schools is the best entry to all these,

well, i prefer to google just anything when i need something, addicted
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Quote:
I wouldn’t recommend to treat the code examples and certain techniques shown there as something to reproduce in your future projects.

Heh, plenty of their code just doesn't work but it seems to be a good reference.
It is also a good place to get clues on what to google for Smile
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Since you don't actually want "low" level, and just want to make a standard web page ...

You can look at the text of this forum, or any other non-JS "webapp", and see how simple things are.

Have a look at arm.flatassembler.net. That is 100% written in a text editor.
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That was useful, seeing an example that *works*

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or any other non-JS "webapp"

That's the problem...that and ginormous amount of web code.
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Forget about all the "attention" sites that use JS for flashy crap that serves no purpose other than trying to make you stay there all day and look at more ads. That code is enormous and ugly, and worse, it is obfuscated and minimised to prevent you from understanding it. Viewing the source on those is an exercise in futility IMO.
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If anyone's interested, mozilla have a few nice basic html and css tutorials.
I'm also using notepad++ for coding, the auto-complete seems to have a lot of keywords for both.

I am actually enjoying this sort of "coding" Smile
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try put some javascript into your recipe, then you can have more power to control html and css,
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