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vivik



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I want to try out edit-and-continue, but modern versions of visual studio are terribly slow on my computer.

I want to make programs that work even on windows xp. But I'm on windows 7 right now.

Where can I get older versions?
Post 25 Jan 2018, 09:31
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Microsoft provides downloads of older versions of Visual Studio from this URL.
https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/older-downloads/

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Post 25 Jan 2018, 10:26
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Picnic



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Hi vivik,

I have used Visual Studio 2005 Express for a long period in my windows xp, and still using it in Windows 7 until recently when i install VS2010.

Btw i think the more windows xp compatible version must be 2003 Edition but it won't run easily in 7.
Post 25 Jan 2018, 11:18
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vivik



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Nothing below 2010, huh. And edit-and-continue appeared in 2005. I guess I should install 2005 from somewhere?
Post 25 Jan 2018, 11:23
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Picnic



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Try out these links from here, they seem to work. I have not tried installing them.
Post 25 Jan 2018, 11:30
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vivik



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Okay, thanks! I will try Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition out.
Post 25 Jan 2018, 11:40
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rugxulo



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Or try a different compiler, e.g. OpenWatcom. But maybe you really "need" VS for whatever compatibility reason (or just prefer the IDE).
Post 07 Feb 2018, 20:45
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vivik



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The 2005 works pretty well. Faster than my browser, no kidding. A bit quirky at times though, error messages especially.

I faced this problem with it, would appreciate any help: https://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=202474#202474

>But maybe you really "need" VS for whatever compatibility reason (or just prefer the IDE).

I just felt like I tortured myself enough for a lifetime. Me simply reading programs is the main reason i couldn't understand anything, debugger really helps. (Wish I could just buy a modern computer and install the last version of everything, and buy all the cool toys as well. Ugh. Gimme your money.)
Post 09 Feb 2018, 18:48
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Picnic



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vivik wrote:
The 2005 works pretty well. Faster than my browser, no kidding


Yeap. Often i was using the 2005 IDE even as a text editor.

Today, i don't know what computer someone needs to enjoy VS 2017. On my PC it is ridiculously slow.


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Post 09 Feb 2018, 20:49
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vivik wrote:
I just felt like I tortured myself enough for a lifetime. Me simply reading programs is the main reason i couldn't understand anything, debugger really helps.


And only MSVC works for you? You can't use (or haven't) anything else?? Different tools work best for different tasks, people, environments, etc.

vivek wrote:

(Wish I could just buy a modern computer and install the last version of everything, and buy all the cool toys as well. Ugh. Gimme your money.)


What is "modern"? When is it ever "good enough"? Everything is obsoleted so quickly in tech, but I still find enjoyment in classic tools (even DOS). I don't need no stinkin' Windows or MSVC. If Windows is too slow, don't use it.

Hey, you want free, use Linux (or *BSD or Haiku or whatever). If even that is too slow, then you're doing it wrong. I don't have fast machines either (by far), but I can still tinker a bit here and there. It doesn't have to be fast to learn and play around.

Money doesn't buy everything. Lots of elbow grease (hard work, dedication, private study) is still needed.
Post 09 Feb 2018, 21:38
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vivik



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>What is "modern"?
Something that came out in the last 2 years, something that supports the new api. Learning direct3d9 and directdraw7 so many years after they come out, i feel super slow. If someone is stuck with an ancient (10 years old) pc, do they buy games and such still?

Yes, linux is ancient in every way imaginable. At least it means it stays fast for a long time. Linux mentions start to annoy me lately, it wasted so much of my time for nothing. Crossplatform tools don't support native windows features that I want to try out, like SEH.
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vivik wrote:
>What is "modern"?
Something that came out in the last 2 years, something that supports the new api. Learning direct3d9 and directdraw7 so many years after they come out, i feel super slow. If someone is stuck with an ancient (10 years old) pc, do they buy games and such still?


My PCs are old, too. Buy games? Sure, you can still get old ones (esp. DOS, my fav, e.g. Gog.com). But if you can't live with outdated graphics (and usually emulators like DOSBox), that's probably not for you.

Are you trying to learn to develop games? Why not use Linux and its APIs (Vulkan, OpenGL, etc)?

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Yes, linux is ancient in every way imaginable. At least it means it stays fast for a long time. Linux mentions start to annoy me lately, it wasted so much of my time for nothing. Crossplatform tools don't support native windows features that I want to try out, like SEH.


Forget Windows. The point with mentioning Linux was that it's free (no money needed) and robust and popular and many pros use it. Seriously, I don't use Steam, but it's heavily improved in recent years, so much so that they now claim to support like 40% of all games under Linux.
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