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tom tobias wrote:
At least, this [edfed's idea] contest is logical.
Is it logical to play Soccer? Chess? Any game? I don't think logic matters when it come to contests (and sports). It is about having fun. And even seemingly illogical challenges can teach us many things we can use later in life. Just the social interaction alone can make it worthwhile (especially for a 14yo).
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yes I am realy 14, and the only way I saw a win 3.1 was because we had the
dang the so long that I think we got an XP next after it. Razz I realy want
that old thing back Crying or Very sad It had some sweet DOS games Smile That Vista wont
play. stupid exes thinkin they can do away with .coms.

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coddy41/coddy14 theres lots of old dos games running on famos see http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=9483
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Thanks nop I'll Try it, just for somthing to toy with Smile

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edfed wrote:
i think a better contest would be an OS that fits in 64k for a 27C512 EEPROM, in order to replace the BIOS.
no?

replacing BIOS is not good idea, as BIOS has motherboard specific code, which depends on chipset etc. better idea in this direction is rom extension, which is supported by any BIOS, but there is a technical detail: if you will do card for rom extension by yourself - there is no big problem to choose the size, but if you will use an old netcard - they usually have 2764 socket, and if an old vga card to be reconfigured - it is more easy to set it for 27256 rom Smile

i think, it is quiet interesting direction! if you boot your system from 1.44 disk, or even from hdd or usb flash, then there is no great sence in sizes like suggested, while OS, which able to be loaded while boot on diskless device like ROM BASIC, may give second chance to any old board not thrown into garbage some years ago Wink

sure, such contest will require some hardware skill and stuff, not available to anybody Wink

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shoorick wrote:

replacing BIOS is not good idea, as BIOS has motherboard specific code, which depends on chipset etc.
No I don't think It would be a good Idea at all It would be mighty hard to reconfigure, And I don't think that Intel or other company's will want to give away how they do it.

shoorick wrote:

sure, such contest will require some hardware skill and stuff, not available to anybody Wink
No, but anyone can learn, IF they try hard enough. Wink

Edit, the contest is being held here to Smile
http://pnforums.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/276759-pn-contest-09

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I have fixed up the rules a little more

5.you may add start up sounds beeps clicks and wallpaper for your OS
You can add any amount of these. (nothing dirty)

I have posted these changes on the first page of this topic. Very Happy
edit: sorry if I forgot the you may Embarassed
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Q:

does anybody participate to this contest there?
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To the contest were?
here: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=9709&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
or
here: http://pnforums.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/276759-pn-contest-09
Because on my forums I got my brother and Devin, although my brother hasn't posted yet.
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Hi,

I'm a little bit confused...so, are these the final rules?
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I am having a micro OS contest here are the rules.

1. The OS must be between 512 bytes and 2 kilobytes
2. Any one that is a part of flatassembler.net can join
3. The finished OS may have no more than 5 files to run (boot loader, kernel, main OS, etc. )
4. The OS can only be coded in ASM,FASM, and Nasm
5. The OS must include its source code
6. The end date is may, 4, 2009 all OS's must be emailed to me so I can post
them here http://microoscontest.synthasite.com/ for everyone to download and view.
7. You are also required to add a readme.txt
8. If you add an app it does not count on the 1.5kb but you will have a 10kb app limit

You MAY
1.add extra programs like apps or games
2.add a tutorial on how to make it (for newbies)
3.add your web sites URL in the readme
4.Make your OS boot with the following Floppy,CD,USB
5.add start up sounds beeps clicks and wallpaper for your OS
You can add any amount of these. (nothing dirty)

You can email them to os.micro@yahoo.com have fun Very Happy

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Yes, they are, unless you think something needs fixed... Did I mess up
again????
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Rule 1 and rule 8 contradict each other. Is it 1.5kB or 2kB?
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Thanks revolution, I have fixed that problem, but not yet on my forums, my
forums do not allow me to edit posts yet Sad
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rule 5 seems to be impossible to do.
the source itself will be more than 2kB, then, including the source in the OS is a non sense...

a better rule would be:
5 the OS should be provided with the source compilable in the range of rule 1 with FASM.
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I think thats what I meant to put Embarassed

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I think my boot loader is coming along, Slowly. Smile
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cannot be the os less than 512 bytes?

os is not the totallity of boot sector if you can.
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No the OS cannot go under 512 bytes, for that it the size of the boot sector, But you can build a basic OS within a boot loader, Take the 512 byte OS contest for an example.

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ok, but now i have to suggest one thing.
the size of a useable os cannot be under 2kilobytes.
the minimal size should be 64kbytes because it is the size of a real mode segment.
this kind of contest have a goal only if the size of the os is reasonable to put a lot of features and become something else than a pure trick.

if you want ot participate to a contest, i have one to propose to you.

fasm challenge for all users.
still advanced a little.
the goal of this project / contest is simple.
project: create a working bootable web browser, and after,
contest: optimise it.

there are two versions in my knoledge.
mine (feeble) who evolved into a lib named fool.
and dosin version inspired by dex version named fbrowser.


of course, a web browser can become easy a os by using html/javascript.
and this browser is an os because it will manage all the needed hardware and files.
and is not limited in size but in boot time.
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Ok, So you want to build a bootible browser, and build the rest in say html and java script, right?
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