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YONG



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Check this out! Twisted Evil Wink
Post 15 Dec 2008, 06:43
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tom tobias



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According to the article, the guy who threw his shoes at Bush said, in Arabic,

"This is a farewell ... you dog!"

I believe that this represents an Arabic-English translation error.
I think the proper translation of his Arabic would be:

"Take this, you mangy cur."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mangy
(n.b. pronunciation is "main zhee")
(n.b.2-- meaning is the second one at that site, i.e. contemptible, mean)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cur

I guess that an insufficient quantity of native speakers are familiar with "mangy cur", a result of several decades of watching "Lassie" and "RinTinTin" on the television. But then, isn't the original problem for invasion of Iraq the fact that the greedy citizens of the USA, long in lust for others' wealth, and short in showing empathy for the impoverished on the planet, possess a substandard education. To this day, as 2008 draws to a close, a NEAR MAJORITY of Americans, >40%, believe that Saddam Hussein was a conspiratorial participant in the bombings of New York City and Washington DC, on 11 September 2001.
edit: add reference for statistic
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Post 15 Dec 2008, 10:47
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vid
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Yeah, i wondered about that translation, seemed weird to me... as if it was some terrorist attack intended to kill him ("farewell"). btw tom, you know Arabic?
Post 15 Dec 2008, 10:54
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ManOfSteel



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He did call him a dog. It's a quite common insult along with "son of a b****". The rest is more like "it's the end", probably referring to the end of Bush's term.

BTW, this was fun, almost as good as Bill Gates "creaming" in Brussels.
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This is called democracy with shoe-warheads
Post 15 Dec 2008, 12:29
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tom tobias



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Here's the source for the >40% quote above
vid wrote:

btw tom, you know Arabic?
alhamdulilahi.
ManOfSteel wrote:
He did call him a dog....

sigh. So did I. A cur is a dog.
asmfan wrote:
This is called democracy with shoe-warheads

I thought, rather, that it was the symbolism of the futile exercise EVERY american citizen must face, now, and for the past seven years, removing our shoes, to get on an airplane, because they could potentially be concealing a bomb.
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Yup... it's like a James Bond's equipment they will search for. Some pen-lasers, tie-knives, old-socks-war-bumerangs:) ... paranoia
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Too bad Bush didn't have this reference and told the guy he fights like a woman! Very Happy
Post 15 Dec 2008, 14:11
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YONG



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tom tobias wrote:
... citizens of the USA, ..., possess a substandard education
Is that true? The US members on this board, like you (tom tobias), HyperVista, bitRAKE, etc., are all very smart and knowledgeable! Wink Do you have any rock solid evidence to support your point? Rolling Eyes Please also precisely define "substandard". Twisted Evil Wink
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bitRAKE



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I thought anything under the ruler was substandard. Very Happy
Post 15 Dec 2008, 17:46
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YONG wrote:
Do you have any rock solid evidence to support your point? Please also precisely define "substandard".
I gave the reference, belatedly, above.
Anecdotally: most of the four dozen odd guys I play basketball with, have no idea about history, science, politics, or economics. Nine out of ten of those guys believe in Christianity, think Saddam Hussein is a devil, and Sarah Palin an angel.
What can I say? This country is a bunch of imbeciles.
"Rock Solid", yeah, look at the public support for the wars in VietNam and Iraq. Show me any other non-English speaking country in the world that supported those two terrible wars of aggression? Ask the ordinary American about the utterly specious Gulf of Tonkin resolution and they look at you as though you are from outer space.
Ask the ordinary American about the war against the people of Iraq, and, IF THEY ARE OPPOSED to the war, it is not because of the bestiality of the USA invasion of a soverign land, it is because it is expensive, and lots of GI's are returning to USA with terrible injuries--injuries that will cost the tax payers years of higher taxes to pay for all those rehabilitation experts....
If you casually ask the ordinary man on the street a question about Iraq, and mention Saddam Hussein, they will IMMEDIATELY shift their thinking to 9/11, because, for them, the Iraqui dictator was intimately involved in mediating the attacks in New York City......
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asmfan



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But what about mere compassion? Unbelievable that only numbers of taxes are meaningful.
What do you think roots of all this are? Education? Mass media? Unwilling of thinking of own & others?
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Success is popularity - not being intelligent. It isn't what you know, but who you know. It is easier to do whatever the guy next to you is doing. If religion proves anything it is that group-think is more powerful than good-think. We are social beings - it is unavoidable, and dangerous if abused.
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yeah, look at the public support for the wars in VietNam

Weren't ther huge "hippie" protests against this war in all major US cities? You know, the one you took part in...
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vid, the protests which I attended, in Washington D.C., and at Fort Dix, New Jersey, were attended by more than a million people.
These were not the same crowd that attended Woodstock or other rock band festivals of the era. These were ordinary folks, of all ages, many of us veterans of the earlier, 1950's demonstrations in New York City, against the atomic bomb.
Most of the anti-VietNam war activities were organized by politically far left, i.e. communist, socialist political parties. We still had debates in the 1960's and into the mid 1970's about capitalism versus socialism in this country.
Dead now.
Gone.
But, no relationship to the "hippie" culture, in my opinion. Hippies were opposed ALSO to the antiwar movement, not just other parts of society. They believed in "me first". "my pleasure", "my culture", "my delights". Forget the future, think only of NOW.
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That's why i put the word in quotes... meaning it surely was/is used to represent those people, but not so much fitting. But I didn't know that that antiwar movement spread considerably among non-young people too.

And... communist / socialist parites in USA in 70s? There were such parties with meanworthy support? I thought left wing was definitively suppressed in public since McCarthy's House of Un-American Committee in late 40s.
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LOL @ the pic vid Very Happy

tom tobias wrote:
Nine out of ten of those guys believe in Christianity, think Saddam Hussein is a devil, and Sarah Palin an angel.
What does that make Putin?

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tom tobias wrote:
YONG wrote:
Do you have any rock solid evidence to support your point? Please also precisely define "substandard".
I gave the reference, belatedly, above.
Anecdotally: most of the four dozen odd guys I play basketball with, have no idea about history, science, politics, or economics. Nine out of ten of those guys believe in Christianity, think Saddam Hussein is a devil, and Sarah Palin an angel.
What can I say? This country is a bunch of imbeciles.
May the Nature bless you and your offsprings. Keep being honest, hearty and thoughtful.


vid Laughing

Anyway, that clown had his proper treatment in the end.

Though, that Iraqi made a mistake - one always performs an action first, then makes his talk. Be he that way, he wouldn't miss Wink
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YONG



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What's going to happen to that journalist? Rolling Eyes Any idea?
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