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acer aspire one, hp mini 1000?
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How about this one: Notebook w/Graphite Cover? It costs only $4.10!
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Toughbook - it has survived the child for almost a year now! Hard to beat a day light readable touch screen for some applications. Can boot from SD card, USB, etc.. A little costly, so I suggest to buy one used - it will be like new in 99% of cases. GPS is a cool feature for a laptop. Razz

(Want to buy my T29 Laughing ?)
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How about this one: Notebook w/Graphite Cover? It costs only $4.10!


And the storage media is by far more reliable too!
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Mhmh, toughbooks are increadibly expensive, but if you can afford them, they are worth their promised ruggedness...

HP/Acer/Lenovo (IBMs chep stuff) are not my personal favourites. And not just personal: Acer is known to break physical-wise. We had HPs in our corporation for years and after a year-length period, the batteries died, some of the motherboards got too hot (they all seem to have temperature problems) and 50-70% of the laptops have gone to repairs (some at warranty time).
HP statistics base was about 200 laptops. Even the new ones (8510p, 8510w and 8530w) tend to have their batteries go bad in 2 months time. 10 at least had their mobos changed by warranty.

In the beginning of 2008, we switched to Dell and since then we have used about 150 of them in our organization. It has not been long, I know, but still only one has had a battery-problem. Another problem was HDD problem, but that doesn't count because the laptops case was broken in half and the Seagate managed to read data, but with tons of errors Smile Don't ask, what the user did with it.

I myself am using an Intel barebone, which cost me $2000 USD a year ago. Today, you will get a HP with the same parameters for $2200, but my lap is amortized to ~$1500. Its a T9300 / 4GB RAM / X3100 gfx / 965GM / 320GB 7200rpm / 15.4" 1280x800 glare. Intel N WiFi ofcourse & I'm not a bluetooth fan Smile 2hrs+ battery time. I don't recommend Mitac 8222 series because it occasionally hangs. I couldn't get to the bottom of this problem. I suggest Quanta and ASMobile.
Very old picture: http://www.tud.ttu.ee/~t060429/Up/viskigepsud.jpg
{Mitac in the centre, Dells around - one on the far right upside-down - no HDD}
Boots from USB and Menuet runs on it Very Happy ~2.8kg
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LocoDelAssembly wrote:
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How about this one: Notebook w/Graphite Cover? It costs only $4.10!


And the storage media is by far more reliable too!


Literally a notebook.

Laughing
Post 09 Dec 2008, 16:23
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What is an "SDT" drive? Do you mean SSD?

Why no optical drive? This makes it a bit hard to do OS install, unless you plan on using an external USB one.

Bluetooth is nice if you have a cellphone that supports it... makes syncing contacts etc. easier.

Hm, win98 compatibility... I remember something about Win9x barfing on too recent processors because of SSE or the like - can't remember if the OS crashed on those CPUs or not, but you definitely couldn't use SSE because of lack of OS support for it (scheduler needs to be aware of it for context switching purposes).
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Post 09 Dec 2008, 20:28
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You'll generally have a hard time doing OS installs from other than optical media... and flash might be cheap, but for (legit...) distribution, I don't think anything beats optical discs for price right now.
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Flash cheap? You can get DVDs with 4.7GB here with like 2$ Razz

DVD-RW are a bit more expensive though, but I doubt that Flash can be cheaper (same amount of memory of course)... then again prices here are screwed up in Romania, good dual-core processors cost as much as 400$, dammit Confused

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Maybe wait for a few more generations of ASUS eeePC? Was only 4GB SSD, now 8GB or 16GB. No optical drive, only 1GB RAM (2GB max), Intel Atom CPU (32-bit), webcam etc, plus built-in speech recognition. Very compact. Was 7" screen, now 10". NZ$900 = USD450.

BTW, now in NZ:
DVD+-R (4.7GB) = NZ$1 each = USD0.50
DVD+-R/W = NZ$2 each = USD1.00
DVD+-R (dual-layer) = NZ$3 each = USD1.50
Blu-Ray disc = NZ$5 each = USD2.50

4GB flash USB2.0 = NZ$20 = USD10
8GB flash USB2.0 = NZ$50 = USD25
16GB flash USB2.0 = NZ$140 = USD70

4-port USB hub = NZ$20 = USD10

I just bought 4 x 4GB = 16GB on 4-port hub Smile

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asmcoder wrote:
f0dder wrote:
You'll generally have a hard time doing OS installs from other than optical media...

why? if my memory will have sector table, bootsector whats the diffrence between it and dvd/HD?
For one, installers tend to expect ISO9660 or UDF filesystem - you could use that for your flash drive, of course. Second, OS installers don't spend much time in realmode (where they issue int13 calls which bios translate to USB commands)... once in pm, the installers expect an optical drive they can send ATAPI commands to.

I'm not saying it's impossible to write an installer that can handle OS install from <whatever> media, just that you're going to have a hard time installing existing OSes from a flashdrive.

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My last Windows install was completely from USB stick, but this required another computer to setup correct drivers. Just stopped using my last RS232 printer - everything is USB now except my favorite keyboard (which MS no longer supports).
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bitRAKE wrote:
My last Windows install was completely from USB stick, but this required another computer to setup correct drivers. Just stopped using my last RS232 printer - everything is USB now except my favorite keyboard (which MS no longer supports).
Did you boot the USB stick to DOS and use the WINNT.EXE method of installing? That's a viable solution, but afaik

1) can have trouble installing to RAID drives (and other stuff that isn't visible from DOS)
2) requires installing to a FAT partition (which can then later be upgraded to NTFS, though)

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Post 10 Dec 2008, 12:36
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I think optical media is still much more reliable, I mean it is even rumored to last 100 years (in proper conditions). What about movies for example? Is that a bad choice for optical, should instead be put on Flash? 4GB flash is kinda expensive... (I mean compared to a DVD).

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Factory-pressed optical media should be able to last a long time, as long as kept away from direct sunlight and too much heat. Home-burnt media is another matter though, I wouldn't trust the contents after 5 years, even if kept in good conditions.

What about flash media? I guess it should last a pretty long time as long as you only read it. The media has a limited amount of erase-cycles though, and especially for the lower-end flash media (usb pendrives, lower-end SSDs (like the ones used in the eee)) it probably isn't extremely high. Haven't been able to find any exact figures, but numbers like "less than 10k" appear often.
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HY27UF(08/16)2G2M Series
2Gbit (256Mx8bit / 128Mx16bit) NAND Flash

DATA INTEGRITY
- 100,000 Program/Erase cycles
- 10 years Data Retention
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