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chen



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Can open a Chinese version of it, I think in this inside knowledge can learn a lot, but every time I have to translate, somewhat cumbersome. Thanks!
Post 08 Aug 2008, 03:54
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chen



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No one answered my first Mody top of the
Post 08 Aug 2008, 03:55
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chen wrote:
Can open a Chinese version of it, I think in this inside knowledge can learn a lot, but every time I have to translate, somewhat cumbersome. Thanks!
Did you ask about possibility of creation Chinese subforum here (I don't think it's possible unless we have at least one moderator speaking Chinese fluently Wink ) or (more likely) Chinese "clone" of this site? Smile
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Smile maybe fork all the content to chinese language .... lol Razz
i could speak, write mandarin quite fluent Razz

你好,陈
因为懂得中文的fasm用户不是很多。有可能只是你和我而已
大家都用英文,不是说中文不好。不过好多技术上的名称还是用英文的比较多人会明白。

how hard you try to understand what i wrote in mandarin is how hard he tried to understand what you wrote in english. Wink
Post 08 Aug 2008, 19:19
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Thank you for your support, it seems that I can only strengthen the learning of English! Razz Razz Razz
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chen wrote:
...it seems that I can only strengthen the learning of English
Disagree. We ALSO, all of us, DO strengthen our inadequate understanding of this difficult language, English, by participating in the FASM forum, BUT, the main accomplishment, here, in my opinion, is learning a little something about programming, and quite a bit about computer architecture, and a fair amount about computer security, and even a little bit about ART, and a touch of music, too. This is THE best forum, for studying BOTH English, AND Philosophy, AND computer science. Other forums may offer superior opportunities to learn about particular topics, but this forum has EVERYTHING.

Chen: Hmmm. That's a bit like "Smith", in English. Half the people in China are named Chen. Don't you have a bit more of a name, than just "chen"?
Question, are you a cadre in the CCP? Else, if not, how are you able to access the FASM forum?
When I lived in ZG, I was UNABLE to access FASM forum, so I am curious to learn whether the censorship has now been lifted, or if you are just a high ranking official, who has no restrictions on internet useage, compared with ordinary folks.
sleepsleep wrote:
....how hard you try to understand what i wrote in mandarin is how hard he tried to understand what you wrote in english

UMM.
NO,
You are often absolutely CORRECT, in your repudiations of some of our more facile contributions to a thread, but this time, you err. The problem may be difficult for you to imagine, but SOME of us, not all FASM forum members, to be sure, but SOME of us (those of us perhaps a bit PROVINCIAL, and backwards in our thinking...) DO NOT HAVE the ability to display Chinese HanZi, or ANY OTHER characters, fonts, and so on, for example, on my computers I cannot read Arabic, Persian, Greek, Russian, Thai, Egyptian Hieroglyphs, Mayan Hieroglyphs, etc. It is not simply Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and (ancient) VietNamese HanZi that I cannot read. I cannot SEE any of those characters. My computers display UNIQUELY Roman letters. ONLY Roman letters, nothing else. No Hindi, No Sanscrit, no Khmer, NOTHING except Roman Letters. Period. In order to read, one must FIRST be able to visualize the HanZi.
Now, if you had written, as I urge you, and CHEN to do!, the same message, in PinYin, i.e. IN ROMAN LETTERS, then, I could READ it, SEE it, OBSERVE it, AND, understand it.
So, our language lesson for today is simple: "Mandarin" Chinese (PuTongHua) is the MOST important language in the world. But, if the Chinese, and the Malaysians, and the other people in the world still using ideographs to communicate, want other people to communicate with them, then, they need to employ a PHONETIC system of communication, just as 100% of all living, BLIND Chinese people do.

Smile
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Chen: Hmmm. That's a bit like "Smith", in English. Half the people in China are named Chen. Don't you have a bit more of a name, than just "chen"?
Question, are you a cadre in the CCP? Else, if not, how are you able to access the FASM forum?
When I lived in ZG, I was UNABLE to access FASM forum, so I am curious to learn whether the censorship has now been lifted, or if you are just a high ranking official, who has no restrictions on internet useage, compared with ordinary folks.

tom, chen sleepless after seeing your message, hard time to decode what you wrote Laughing Laughing Laughing

google translated as:
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陈: hmmm 。这有点像“史密斯” ,在英文。一半在中国,人们被命名为陈。你不有一个多一点的名称,只是“陈”呢?
问题,你是一个干部在中共?否则,如果没有,你如何能够获得fasm论坛?
当我住在zg ,我无法访问fasm论坛,所以我很想了解是否检查已经取消,或如果您是只是一个高级官员,谁已没有任何限制,互联网的应用,相比普通的乡亲。

65% meaning retained Smile let us congratulate google. Cool

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those of us perhaps a bit PROVINCIAL, and backwards in our thinking...) DO NOT HAVE the ability to display Chinese HanZi, or ANY OTHER characters, fonts, and so on,

don't know what windows/linux you use, but basically, languages support from majos OS, is quite complete. Wink imho.
Post 09 Aug 2008, 16:37
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sleepsleep wrote:
...hard time to decode what you wrote

Yes, thank you sleepsleep, for pointing out my dreadful writing. I agree, it is very difficult to decipher.
umm: let's see,
1. CCP = Chinese Communist Party: ZhongGuo Gong(4)Chan(3) Dang(3)
2. ZG = Zhong Guo. aka, middle earth. (there's an unpretentious group of civic minded earthlings who realizes where the sun sets....(It rises in RiBen!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing ))
3. cadre: French word, means senior member of an organization...(English has taken a LOT of French words, and used them, mercilessly.)
sleepsleep wrote:
....don't know what windows/linux you use
and, if I may interject, it doesn't matter which version of any operating system I use, because it is not an operating system design flaw, it is solely a problem with my brain. I simply don't want ANY ideographs displayed on my computer. For me, and I realize, NOT for anyone else, HanZi, and all other hieroglyphs are childish, terribly inefficient, and technologically obsolete, just as a conventional 1950 monochrome television is far removed from contemporary "HighDefinition" Television. I don't encourage use of HanZi; they represent, for me, a symbol of elitism, and feudal society. PinYin was THE major accomplishment of the chinese Communist revolution of 1949. The rest of the world is not willing to subject our youth to a full decade of rote memorization to memorize 2500 HanZi, in order to read the palaver and doggerel emanating from BeiJing. Nimen yingai xie yong pinyin. Suoyi, women dou keyi nian de dong. (Let's see how Google does with that!) I have very little incentive to write, or read HanZi. In terms of technology, HanZi represent, from my perspective, the Intel 4004 cpu. PinYin isn't simply the EASIEST way to learn PuTongHua, it is also the BEST way, because one is THINKING about the sound of the language, which is the most essential element in learning MOST foreign languages, with dreadful English as one of the worst exceptions.
the correct spelling of FISH is 'ghoti', with the 'gh' from 'laugh', the 'o' from 'women' and the 'ti' from 'nation'.

From that point of view, i.e. close correspondence between sound of a language, and its orthography, German, Italian and Japanese are three of the best languages to learn, for they all demonstrate very close correlation, with only a few exceptions, between the spoken sound and the written symbol used to define that sound.

Smile
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English has taken a LOT of French words, and used them, mercilessly


~60%.

if only it was 100%, human world would goes better.
Post 10 Aug 2008, 09:46
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chen



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My name is Chen Guangfu is a common knowledge, not what senior officials, the Chinese government did not ban this site
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tom tobias



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chen wrote:
...the Chinese government did not ban this site...
Well, that's wonderful.
The last time I was in BeiJing, in 2004, I was unable to log into FASM forum from the public library--the huge library on the west side of town.
I then tried again, in two other locations, in other provinces, and again, could not access the forum.
It is great news to learn that FASM forum is available to folks in ZG! We welcome you, and hope that you will ask lots of questions.
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Chen, x86asm.com seems to be very active. Maybe it is possible to discuss fasm there.
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The link above is not quite correct. Here is the correct link to MazeGen's excellent web site:

Smile
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Well, it would be excellent if there were more articles. Writing and editing articles is very time consuming though Smile
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