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revolution
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I hate spam. Just wanted to say that.

I'm getting around 30-40 spam emails each day. Does everybody have this problem?


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Post 21 Apr 2008, 13:58
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edfed



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my gmail address recieve at least 30 spam a day.
enlarge your penis, viagra for mens, congratulation, you win 10000$, etc... Laughing
i don't know who is the guilty, but if one day i hear somebody saying proudly he is the creator of a spam, i'll hit fight him for sure. Twisted Evil
Post 21 Apr 2008, 14:24
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Only 40? I'm getting more than 100. Luckily, only few of them weekly miss spam folder. BTW, my e-mail address is about 5 years old.
Post 21 Apr 2008, 14:51
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to solve this you should have 2 mail accounts, one normal and one for registering at sites and such..
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I suspect some of my Gmail spam is due to my use of my real e-mail address on Google Groups. But some people hate mucking around with butchered "blah AT gmail DOT com", so I just suck it up (since Gmail filters most of it out of Inbox anyways).
Post 21 Apr 2008, 17:32
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for me, gmail lets about 1 message a day thru it's filter
Post 21 Apr 2008, 18:43
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I get far less spam, like 1 per day, and I thought I was getting too much Razz
Post 22 Apr 2008, 16:27
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I've been using Gmail for about two years and haven't had one spam Email yet, either because

1. A few years back I used to have an Email account with a 'common' name (like John@... for instance) and then got hit by MyDoom. I didn't actually get the virus itself but everybody who did and used the same domain name as me in their address book, ended up filling my mailbox in no time. Since then, I use a combination of letters and numbers, no names. The throwaway addresses I have that use a semi-proper name receive a few spam per month.

2. I'm not as popular as you guys. Wink
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Unfortunately, GMail's spam filter catches some non-spam now and then. Nothing too important and better than the spam being in my inbox. I was hoping Google would use the massive data about spammers that they have to be more proactive against them - both with legal means and documenting who that spammers are. Maybe in time...

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Post 23 Apr 2008, 05:25
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bitRAKE wrote:
Unfortunately, GMail's spam filter catches some non-spam now and then. Nothing too important and better than the spam being in my inbox.


True, but that's only happened to me like three times in over two years or so of constant use. So it's not often. (And I usually manually glance at who the authors were before deleting all spam.)
Post 23 Apr 2008, 19:58
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revolution
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Let's use an analogy: In many countries one must maintain one's car in a roadworthy condition else face some sort of sanction or penalty. So before putting one's car on to the public roads it is both sensible and good manners to make sure that one's car will not harm the road, other's property or other's lives.

Now, with email, of course, the situation is not so life threatening, but perhaps we can use this analogy to encourage ISP's to block people's computers if they are causing harm to the Internet. That means if, say, your computer is spewing spam everywhere then you are cut off until you can solve the problem.

Some might argue that they are not aware that their computer is doing such things (think botnet), but that is only an excuse, they are still harming the smooth running of the network and they need to take action to stop the annoyance and inconvenience they are causing to others.

I think if all ISP's took this type of action we would see the botnets disappear very quickly as people start to care about what their computers are sending out. After being cut off, one will have to take action to eradicate the malware or suffer without Internet. I think the trade-off is fair, once the computers are routinely un-malware-d the botnets will lose nearly all their potency very quickly. The people that just sit back and let their computers spew out the unwanted spam are also culprits (albeit unwilling, but still culprits) and are contributing to malware distribution, spam, DDoS attacks, etc.


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Post 05 May 2008, 16:33
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asmhack wrote:
to solve this you should have 2 mail accounts, one normal and one for registering at sites and such..
Yes, I also do this. I use semi-random addresses all with "login" somewhere in the name. I never check them for incoming mail except in special circumstances, but my main inbox gets hit hard for an unknown reason. I've never published the address except to people I personally know. I expect it just a name guessing algo that incrementally churns out sequential numbers and letters.
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Maybe some of your personally known people got infected by a virus and that propagated your e-mail?

I'm also receiving spam at my gmail account and the very wierd thing is that it started to happen to me just one they after the "friends day" (in Argentina). Since some people known to me told me they observed the very same phenomenon, I started to suspect that my shitty ISP (perhaps only some employees), set some kind of packet logger that day to theft e-mail addresses by taking advantage of the high volume of mails that gets generated in this pseudo-festivity. I'm note sure if gmail at that time was SSL protected or not, at this moment seems to be but in the past only the login had SSL if I remember right.
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I've never published the address except to people I personally know. I expect it just a name guessing algo that incrementally churns out sequential numbers and letters.

Don't you recieve lot of those chain emails, from people who send copies to public list of addresses? THat way spammers can easily get lot of addresses from contact list.
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Actually you are right, I imagine many people are spammed from their best friends. Simply because their friend has the email address in their contact list.

As a trial I setup a new shiny email account and just let it sit, never sending any emails and not telling anyone the address. Sure enough, within less than 2 hours the first spam started arriving.
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Quote:

As a trial I setup a new shiny email account and just let it sit, never sending any emails and not telling anyone the address. Sure enough, within less than 2 hours the first spam started arriving.


I assume they (spammers) just try known-username@ whatever.com (yahoo, gmail, hotmail). If it's something really obscure (non-word, e.g. 149das956q), I would suspect either interception between transit or (even worse) Yahoo! or Google being less than honest. :-/
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Yahoo! or Google being less than honest. :-/


yep, this is true.
in fact, the society works like this...
you are nothing, then, you don't have any power.
you are important, you have power.
then, this power will contribute to society.

be sure that google is forced to collect informations each time you consult a page or launch a research.

it is named Babylon, and is a very old principle.
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I hope that this judgement will stem come of the tide of spam.

Maybe I am just a pessimist, but I think that somehow I won't see any difference, someone else will just take over.
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The best thing I think would be to compile a list of people responsible for spam - either they (work for)/own a company responsible for spam. Then the masses could respond by not doing business with, or making life more difficult for these people.

It's like when you buy a car from someone and they lie to sell the vehicle and it promptly stops working. So, you exercise your public right to park the vehicle in front of their house with a big sign on it - "Mr. X is a crook!" Mr. X quickly realizes it is just easier to be honest. No need for courts or lawyers. It doesn't always work so directly and sometimes a mediator is needed - lest we shoot the bastards.

The first step is not to do business with the company in the spam ads. Second is bringing awareness to who the spammers are and the cost of spam to the public.

I use a large HOSTS file to block addresses for the same reason. If it prevents me from doing business with some company then so be it - I don't want to do business with any company that thinks the web is their billboard. For example, I used to purchase the digital version of Scientific American, but when they started to use pop ups I sent them a nice email explaining why I was canceling my subscription. Guess what? They changed the way they do business. They still have a pop up, but I only have to see it once on each machine I use - which is still annoying, imho.

Businesses only listen to the money, so we have to speak with our money to businesses. It makes a difference when everyone is consciously empowering those we do business with.

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revolution wrote:
I hope that this judgement will stem come of the tide of spam.

Maybe I am just a pessimist, but I think that somehow I won't see any difference, someone else will just take over.

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