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tom tobias



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MichaelH wrote:
...Greater than 100 (definitely), less than 1000 (?) ...... that's a guess at the number of posts I read from f0dder telling someone not to do something cause it wasn't worth it...
I will acknowledge being one of the recipients of fudder's wrath, however, in my opinion, fudder hits the nail on the head 99% of the time, including those several instances where he has taken me to task for inadequately thinking through an idea....
If fudder's criticisms annoy someone, then, simply ignore them. However, MOST of the time, his criticism is absolutely correct, in my opinion. For those, who, like bitRAKE, imagine that fudder's criticisms are "crap", allow me to voice a dissenting opinion. I find his ideas imaginative, thorough, comprehensive, relevant, and worthy of consideration. I think his standards are lofty, and deservedly so.....His advice is generally meritorious, and I would caution those who disagree with his perspective, to procure some useful links and references, for he has some as well....
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MichaelH



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OK I'm willing to concede fodder is not the only reason the fasm community projects have dwindled to next to nothing.

Tomasz not being so active these days is probably a cause. Another reason maybe the never ending newbies that come here expecting people to jump to their every request while criticizing fasm about thing they say it doesn't do when all along if they just read the manuals they'd realise just what a pain in the arse they are being to everyone.

However, I'd suggest fodder and the other's who post constant negative posts about fasm and assembler in general are indeed the reason why projects are few and far between these days. So support their efforts if you wish but I don't see your support of such negativity as helping anyone in the long run.
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AlexP



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edfed & revolution: I mean a FASM compression macro, like the cute 'xor crypting macro', except it's a compressor Smile. I haven't any clue for ideas, maybe a decompressor is called before a function call during execution. That would be odd.
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I wonder if a mod would be kind enough to split this into two topics.
Post 10 Apr 2008, 00:27
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edfed



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Very Happy revolution as moderator! Very Happy
Post 10 Apr 2008, 00:37
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AlexP



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revolution as moderator!
AlexP as moderator!
Post 10 Apr 2008, 00:54
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AlexP:
impossible, you cannot ask to become moderator.
this is the absolute democraty, people decide to give you the state of mod, you cannot decide it, here, it is not the french or USA government.

asking to become president or depute is not a proof of ability.
Very Happy
Post 10 Apr 2008, 01:11
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It was a joke, I do not wish to be moderator Smile. I'm still a beginner in ASM anyways, maybe someday I can be in the competition.

Check what I found on Winasm.community whatever site, main members list has f0dder:
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Community Moderator, enjoys reversing, likes the NT Kernel, and loves proving people wrong.
LOL! Even other websites that know f0dder still call him this
Post 10 Apr 2008, 01:21
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Remy Vincent



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Quote:
... диплом один на 10 человек, мой раздел - криптографические ключи...


How a moderator can read german language, then english language. What if FASM coders starting to speak african languages impossible to moderate...

WHAT i would like to say is that it is easier to WRITE than to read. So a moderator could have so many threads to read that he would prefer to write 100% of the threads and then moderate his own writing, instead of having to read all the threads he is the suposed to be moderator... So good luck to moderators having to read hundreds and hundreds of threads instead of writing themself all the discussions of their threads!
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dosin



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For now on: all arguments must be written in asm...
It will help the creative proc..... Very Happy

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So a moderator could have so many threads to read that he would prefer to write 100% of the threads and then moderate his own writing, instead of having to read all the threads he is the suposed to be moderator... So good luck to moderators having to read hundreds and hundreds of threads instead of writing themself all the discussions of their threads!
Growl... Remy has to stop with the confusing sentences!
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AlexP wrote:
edfed & revolution: I mean a FASM compression macro, like the cute 'xor crypting macro', except it's a compressor Smile. I haven't any clue for ideas, maybe a decompressor is called before a function call during execution. That would be odd.
I would be keen to see this. Do you intend to implement simple RLE or maybe something a little more challenging like Huffman coding?
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AlexP wrote:
Check what I found on Winasm.community whatever site, main members list has f0dder:
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Community Moderator, enjoys reversing, likes the NT Kernel, and loves proving people wrong.
LOL! Even other websites that know f0dder still call him this
You could call it a little joke between me and SpooK, based on all the flame wars with hutch before he was finally kicked out Smile

revolution wrote:
I wonder if a mod would be kind enough to split this into two topics.
Would be a good idea - revolution for moderator! Wink

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Hmm... Revolution for moderator! Smile

I have solidified my next project as being an assembler source compressor, hybrid between a dictionary (instructions?), a technique for compressing the most common english letters, and simple ASCII shrinkage through dictionary for other words. I would love for a partner on a project for once, any takers?
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AlexP wrote:
Hmm... Revolution for moderator! Smile
I'm staying out of this one.
AlexP wrote:
I have solidified my next project as being an assembler source compressor, hybrid between a dictionary (instructions?), a technique for compressing the most common english letters, and simple ASCII shrinkage through dictionary for other words. I would love for a partner on a project for once, any takers?
I think you might get takers if you can make it useful outside of just the fasm realm. People often like to have a real world application they can see it being used for.
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yep.
always ok for new challenges. it seems to be very usefull for my own projects. and the best manner to learn something is to do it.

revolution , before to make some ready to use an pro codes, we shall make them just like prototypes.
your knowledge about asm will be very usefull to make the projects becoming pro and usefull for end users. Very Happy
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Well, it is meant for any assembler source (or any files in general, but meant for ASM). I have decided to make it a library only, and it will use hybrid techniques that I will plan out. I have VERY good ideas, and would love for someone to join me!

PS: It could be made as a plug-in to all major assemblers, when they save a file to HDD it would automatically compress it/ decompress Smile. That would be a great feature!
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daniel.lewis



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Shocked

You're looking at it the wrong way. Trying to get a vast number of assemblers to hook your library would be more challenging than writing it.

Getting compression to/from the HD is something that should be part of the filesystem. I like Reiser4's implementation.

For assembler, I suggest identifying and binding to an executable analysis program; and manipulating a given executable binary so that it's compressed etc. There are already six dozen such programs out though. Confused

There are also binary obfuscators, flat disassemblers (which suck), static linkers and all sorts of neat things. Such tools are definitely useful, yes. I've been wanting to make a disassembler to a control-flow-tree.

From there, optimization would be easy. Very Happy

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How about an interactive re-assembler with AI? (I can dream...)

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daniel: It was just a suggestion as to how it could be used in the wild, wow! I would probably NOT be the one to do anything practical with it, like in FASM or something, I'll leave that to others.

I do have my AES code working, (MUCH faster than my other), and I'll post it. It's been ported to Linux/Win32, and I would LOVE for anybody to beta-test it. I included a driver program, so all you need to do is run the .exe under Win32.
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