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vid
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Loco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor#The_execute_order
they knew attack would come, but message specifically naming pearl harbor was decrypted few days later
Post 19 Nov 2007, 22:04
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{tangent}

The virii idea started as a positive thing: basically it would be good to have intelligent agents patrolling cyberspace and collecting data on our behalf, or even communicating for us. It extends an individual in an intelligent empowering way.

Problem is that people want to control what is being executed on their physical property (because they are responsible for consequences?). Also, once these programs are set free onto the web they either have to self-terminate or be hunted and killed in cyberspace.

Much has been done to taint virii type coding as Bad(tm) when a better approach is to address the problems virii type programs create - because they do exist and will continue to exist. Why can't there be Good(tm) virii? There are distributed projects that kinda work like a virus, but opperate in a resticted environment.

If I'm just reading email then I only care that my machine isn't sending spam in the background - if I have free cycles you are welcome to them as long as you aren't doing something malicious.

{/tangent}
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drhowarddrfine wrote:

Do you honestly think a communist invader would let a democracy win?


I hope not. I'm all for socialism, helping the poor instead of the rich, it's a brilliant idea and one that I personally follow. Of course you've attached the bullshit US propaganda to socialism and called it "communism" and even suggested that socialism is something only invaders do. BTW, what countries have their military invading foreign soil at this point in time ...... well well well, the US for one, the pillar of "democracy".

How any thinking person can come to the conclusion that the US, with a two party political system dominated by money, actually practise democarcy, is beyond me. I guess that is something for another thread.


drhowarddrfine wrote:

You think getting into a war is a profit making adventure?!


Oh dear, such ignorance ..... that statement is proof that programmers and not neceasarly intelligent Sad
Perhaps you need to do some basic economic theory research.


Anyway, I wonder if the world's war weapons could actually be used for good. For instance, what if a few war ships went down to the southern ocean and sunk the Japanese whaling fleet. But alas, saving whales, there's no money in that. Who really cares if the endangered humpback whale is slaughtered, who wants to see a huge whale anyway Sad
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I mean you do not imagine that IF Iran was fighting against US, US will fail to use this opportunity and turn off all Iran's Intel and AMD CPU's ... or even better... take control of some of them...

i seriously think, every country should develop their own microprocessor.

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The current Iraq thing probably is all about oil but brought on more by the instability of the region in relation to oil than oil all by itself. iow, if oil was secure, none of this would have happened.

if the oil is secure, that means the price is stable, and "those who trade oil" doesn't like this idea, so, bringing chaos is one of the factor to rise the oil price.

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I really hope people are becoming smarter, and there will be less violence and more prevention, but i doubt it

i doubt that too. (those who got powers now, doesn't seem to did bad in their academic....) ~ that bring another problem, defination of smart...

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all that I can say, is that the world is like this
using intelligent violence against idiot violence is not bad
intelligent violence is the action of somebody that is able to kill with brain and destroy with fist a guy who don't understand anything else than fists in the face. making the idiot one felling very little and fucked. for govenments, leaders and chiefs, they just need to lose their power and let us live as we want, naturally respecting everybody, to never show or feel jealousy, to be ready to help anybody without any profits objective. and be more tolerant.

by evidence, the man who control the network then control the world.
the goal of this century is to make banal the use of internet and computers.

power is in our hands. now.

i agree.

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security, hackers and viruses are the big, very big problem.

but we need them too, to balance, otherwise, there would be chaos too if power is one-sided.

now, the best part is, we have "knowledge" and "ability" to create chaos/order that could break current world power, we could write bot tat gain control million of pc that could bring down any server and yes, the internet too.

now, why we need to do this.
coz, we perceive ourself on the "right" side and other on the "wrong" side.

if we perceive bank who take usury as evil, we wouldn't mind to hack into it and take out $$ to use it on RIGHT side.

most human accepted current practice as norm. but if you think deeply a little bit, most of the practices are crazy and insane.
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For instance, what if a few war ships went down to the southern ocean and sunk the Japanese whaling fleet.


But they do scientific research, I don't understand why greenpeace does not accept this fact yet, it is terrible how is possible that exist ignorant people that cannot see those banners on the phishing ships.

I'm very dissapointed by you MichaelH Wink

How happy I will when a submarine attack one and if possible ALL those whale hunter ships!!
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Tying up loose ends because I"m not continuing here:
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the US, with a two party political system
The US is not a two party system.
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you've attached the bullshit US propaganda to socialism and called it "communism"

Then what would you call the Soviet Union's form of government then? Or Vietnam's? Or Korea's? You guys quote Wikipedia which calls them communist but tell me it's propoganda.
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what countries have their military invading foreign soil at this point in time ...... well well well, the US for one, the pillar of "democracy".
Key phrase: "at this time". Go back in recorded history and see which countries invade foreign territories.
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LocoDelAssembly wrote:


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For instance, what if a few war ships went down to the southern ocean and sunk the Japanese whaling fleet.


But they do scientific research, I don't understand why greenpeace does not accept this fact yet, it is terrible how is possible that exist ignorant people that cannot see those banners on the phishing ships.

I'm very dissapointed by you MichaelH Wink


Smile

Amazing isn't it! Staggering arrogance by a country with money.


LocoDelAssembly wrote:

How happy I will when a submarine attack one and if possible ALL those whale hunter ships!!


Indeed! I hope more people see this little side track in this thread, pick it up and run with it. Who knows, maybe we can make a difference?????


drhowarddrfine wrote:

Key phrase: "at this time". Go back in recorded history and see which countries invade foreign territories.


A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS
http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=6519


Ok, here's the way I see it. Someone like tom tobias with his brilliance, with his self depreciating humour (which I really enjoy) and brilliant writing style may be able to debate the above list of US atrocities to a stalemate (not that he ever would want too), however I fear you do not have tom's literary skills to defend such horrific acts of evil ..... but feel free too try!
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Indeed! I hope more people see this little side track in this thread, pick it up and run with it. Who knows, maybe we can make a difference?????


I wonder how much we can do, this people prevents legal problems by just saying "scientific research" and in all this time no one hardened the laws to restrict what kind of research can be done, for example, forbid any "economical profits research" would be a good starting point. However, the people that should do something looks to somewhere else so I think that hostilities has to begin then. No need to kill anybody, but hard damages to those ships must be done for sure.
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Hey, what happened to my post with list of USA invasions? I am pretty sure i posted it into this thread... Question

Maybe i postead it somehow wrong... anyone remembers that post? It contained list of countries invaded by USA since WW2.
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Yes you posted it here! What could be wrong with it??

I remember it partially: ... , Iraq, Iraq again, ... I loved that part Razz
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i quess powweb had some problem again, and they had to restore database from backup Sad
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But is wierd, I'm almost sure that your post was here after some new post, so powweb lost a "chunk" of the database?

BTW, Tomasz or someone else has backups of the forum or only powweb has? It would be REALLY a pain if we lost a big part or all the forum.
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I supose that if WW3 goes out and last a year o so, electronics will be a lot more expensive, internet will be a lot more restrictive, and economies will go haywire. Not to mention the rise of collective paranoia and the elimination of civil liberties because of it.

At the end, the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. Plus the virtual elimination of the middle class. Middle class = people that cannof afford a continuos rich style of living without working. But can afford a reasonable lifestyle without the need for work.
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xanatose wrote:
I supose that if WW3 goes out and last a year o so, electronics will be a lot more expensive, internet will be a lot more restrictive, and economies will go haywire. Not to mention the rise of collective paranoia and the elimination of civil liberties because of it.

At the end, the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. Plus the virtual elimination of the middle class. Middle class = people that cannof afford a continuos rich style of living without working. But can afford a reasonable lifestyle without the need for work.


If WWIII goes all out, people will be more concerned with the basics of life, food, water, shelter, than what the price of tecnologies/services will be! Shocked The societies/economy/technology would probably take decades, if not a few ceturies to get back to any kind of normalcy. Sad
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