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What help format you prefer:
HLP
18%
 18%  [ 4 ]
CHM
81%
 81%  [ 18 ]
Total Votes : 22

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JohnFound



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JohnFound
Please vote in the pole and write short note, why you prefer this format.

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Post 25 Dec 2003, 18:23
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Kain



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Flip a coin. They are equally functional. I have no preferrence.
Post 25 Dec 2003, 19:38
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GuyonAsm



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There isn't much a difference, but I've voted for .hlp, because the only thing i can say thats noticeably different about it is it "looks" perhaps a tad "better" than chm.

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Post 25 Dec 2003, 20:19
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silkodyssey



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I don't mind hlp format but I prefer chm. I think its looks cleaner than the hlp format and that makes reading it not so much of a chore.

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Post 25 Dec 2003, 20:24
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Betov



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None. Too slow. Too bad. Too heavy-. Wink


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Post 25 Dec 2003, 20:28
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Madis731



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Well, when HLP || CHM, then of course, they are about equal, but please don't make it in pdf, and ASCII isn't the best either.
CHM better, 'cuz newer, it has better schrolling options
I didn't like the HLP's no-schroll at all option;)
Post 25 Dec 2003, 20:53
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Betov



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Betov
John, to me, the problem was as follow:

* Html > Too slow.
* Pdf > Terrific (absolutely unusable IMO).
* Hlp/Chm > M$.
* Ascii > So sad...

So, to me, the only way to go was to write a Viewer in Asm. I did a big error, when doing this: The use of standard rtf Files and of RichEdit Functionalities. I will have to redo all of this, when i will have some time, and the new way i am now thinking is with writing an Editor plus a Viewer, with a custom format with the real infos i need inside, for the Viewer.


Betov.
Post 25 Dec 2003, 21:11
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decard



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decard
I vote for CHM because of smaller size, and because CHM files can be easily created from HTML.
Post 25 Dec 2003, 21:21
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fasm9



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Hi,

Betov wrote:
The use of standard rtf Files and of RichEdit Functionalities


Did you mean .RTF format?

Betov wrote:
* Hlp/Chm > M$.


chm isn't, it is available on linux/unix.
http://xchm.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html

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PS: BTW, this is yet another story, i feel the need.
we got an assembler(of course, FASM), we got an OS(MenuetOS), now
we gonna have to compiler(which is written in FASM; the missing link).
so we got a FASM-family. Very Happy Smile
Post 25 Dec 2003, 21:22
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Czubin



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Czubin
common , make something that uses a lot of system resources !!!
i want it to have lots of colors and in different languages !!
and plz no pdf format!!!! Wink
Post 26 Dec 2003, 01:59
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Kain



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Betov wrote:
John, to me, the problem was as follow:

* Html > Too slow.
* Pdf > Terrific (absolutely unusable IMO).
* Hlp/Chm > M$.
* Ascii > So sad...

So, to me, the only way to go was to write a Viewer in Asm. I did a big error, when doing this: The use of standard rtf Files and of RichEdit Functionalities. I will have to redo all of this, when i will have some time, and the new way i am now thinking is with writing an Editor plus a Viewer, with a custom format with the real infos i need inside, for the Viewer.


Betov.


Terrific idea Betov! [don't you just love that multi-purpose word?]
I saw the spark of a good idea in Docker but alas, in its current incarnation, it falls short of its MS counterparts.
Let us know if you will proceed with this project, I may learn something new.
Post 26 Dec 2003, 17:28
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Betov



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Betov
Feel free of writing a better "Docker", or something else, Kain.


Betov.
Post 26 Dec 2003, 17:39
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scientica
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scientica
I voted CHM becuase:
  • The way I see it, CHM has a higher chance of beeing supported in the future
  • It'll probably be easier to port than .hlp files (the source files are (plain) html files, right?)
  • It's (unless I'm misstaken) more flexible than .hlp files



btw, RTF, isn't there two RTF formats, the "real" and M$ implentation? Which one is the source of .hlp files?

I think CHM is avalible under linux, .hlp isn't supported (unless you play with wine, ofcourse =)

The advantage of HTML/XHTML source files is that it can be used for online viewing too, and can (relativley) easily be converted to other formats.

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Post 26 Dec 2003, 21:20
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pelaillo
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pelaillo
I think chm is the right choice because:
1. Available also in Linux
2. It is easy to produce or maintain.
3. It is as light as one wants to do (hand written html of course).
4. Easy to direct web-publishing.
5. It is possible to write a light reader in fasm

Betov: I agree with you that current MS reader is crappy and we need to have better technology for help files, but the chm as format is good, what do you think?
Post 27 Dec 2003, 18:38
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comrade



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comrade
.HLP is obsolete.
I used to have old computer and chm load very slow, I made habit to use .hlp. Bad habit, use .chm.

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Post 27 Dec 2003, 19:32
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