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kohlrak



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Well, i know my PC needs upgrades and my dad is finally considering allowing me to buy the things i need online, but i'm unsure if i can upgrade at all. I've been told that there may be some hardware locks on the PC that i have. Does anyone know anything about the locks on Dell computers or if they're just a myth?

Also, any recomendations on the hardware? I don't plan on upgrading to vista so i see no point in a 64 bit CPU upgrade, but i know i need more ram but other than that... Any suggestions?

Below is a dxdiag output file, but i only kept data that *could* be useful, but i think most of it is junk anyway. Some of you may find no use for it, but it does give a certain idea of what i have at the moment.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 7/25/2007, 15:03:19
Machine name: GURAUKI
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corporation
System Model: Dimension 4550
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
Memory: 256MB RAM
Page File: 698MB used, 560MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: Several files (Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D.dll, Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll, Microsoft.DirectX.DirectDraw.dll, etc.) are debug versions, which will run slower than the retail version.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce4 MX 420
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0172&SUBSYS_015A10DE&REV_A3
Display Memory: 64.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9371 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 4527488 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3994624 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4232-11CF-F557-502102C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0172
SubSys ID: 0x015A10DE
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC723-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_MedianFiltering
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Creative SB Live! Series
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0006&SUBSYS_10031102&REV_00
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: P16X.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0203 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 9/22/2003 12:43:06, 1330048 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Creative Technology Ltd.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: Modem #0 Line Playback (emulated)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 81
Type: Emulated
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
WHQL Logo'd:
Date and Size:
Other Files:
Driver Provider:
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Creative SB Live! Series
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: P16X.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0203 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 9/22/2003 12:43:06, 1330048 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0

Description: Modem #0 Line Record (emulated)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
Date and Size:
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0

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USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x24C4
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/4/2004 00:08:44, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 9/3/2002 13:08:40, 4736 bytes

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Gameport Devices
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+ Intel(R) 82801BA/CA PCI Bridge - 244E
| Location: PCI bus 0, device 30, function 0
| Matching Device ID: pci\ven_8086&dev_244e
| Service: pci
|
+-+ Game Port for SB Live! Series
| | Location: PCI bus 2, device 2, function 1
| | Matching Device ID: pci\ven_1102&dev_7004&subsys_10031102
| | Service: gameenum

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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 8/4/2004 00:14:38, 52736 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 02:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 24576 bytes
|
+ HID-compliant mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x045E, 0x0053
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 23040 bytes
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/17/2001 14:48:00, 12160 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 8/4/2004 02:01:08, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 8/3/2004 23:58:34, 23040 bytes

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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider (Network Simulator) - Registry: OK, File: E:\SDK\DXSDK\Bin\DXUtils\dp8sim.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.2180)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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DirectPlay Adapters
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DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider (Network Simulator): Local Area Connection 2 - IPv4 -
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider: Motorola V. and Timeport Modem
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider: Conexant D850 56K V.9x DFVc Modem
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM3
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Local Area Connection 2 - IPv4 -

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DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

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DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
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SimplePeer (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: SimplePeer.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: SimplePeer.exe (4.09.0000.0900)
StagedPeer (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: StagedPeer.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: StagedPeer.exe (4.09.0000.0900)
ChatPeer (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: ChatPeer.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: ChatPeer.exe (4.09.0000.0900)
VoicePosition (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: VoicePosition.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: VoicePosition.exe (4.09.0000.0900)
VoiceGroup (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: VoiceGroup.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: VoiceGroup.exe (4.09.0000.0900)
DataRelay (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: DataRelay.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: DataRelay.exe (4.09.0000.0900)
VoiceConnect (DX8) - Registry: OK, ExeFile: VoiceConnect.exe (4.09.0000.0900) LauncherFile: VoiceConnect.exe (4.09.0000.0900)

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 0.5 GB
Total Space: 10.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD600BB-75CAA0

Drive: D:
Free Space: 0.2 GB
Total Space: 5.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD600BB-75CAA0

Drive: E:
Free Space: 1.7 GB
Total Space: 10.0 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD600BB-75CAA0

Drive: F:
Free Space: 0.8 GB
Total Space: 32.2 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: WDC WD600BB-75CAA0

Drive: G:
Model: LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:54, 49536 bytes

Drive: H:
Model: HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8481B
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:54, 49536 bytes

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System Devices
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Name: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV/E Processor to AGP Controller - 2561
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2561&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&08
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\AGP440.SYS, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/4/2004 00:07:42, 42368 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV/E Processor to I/O Controller - 2560
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2560&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&00
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(r) 82801DB/DBM USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller - 24CD
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24CD&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&EF
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(r) 82801DB Ultra ATA Storage Controller-24CB
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24CB&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&F9
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(r) 82801DB/DBM USB Universal Host Controller - 24C7
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C7&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&EA
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(r) 82801DB/DBM USB Universal Host Controller - 24C4
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C4&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&E9
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) 82801DB/DBM SMBus Controller - 24C3
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C3&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&FB
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(r) 82801DB/DBM USB Universal Host Controller - 24C2
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C2&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&E8
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) 82801DB LPC Interface Controller - 24C0
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_24C0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_01\3&172E68DD&0&F8
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\isapnp.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 9/3/2002 12:35:51, 35840 bytes

Name: Intel(R) 82801BA/CA PCI Bridge - 244E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_244E&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_81\3&172E68DD&0&F0
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1039&SUBSYS_01421028&REV_81\4&3B1CAF2B&0&40F0
Driver: n/a

Name: Conexant D850 56K V.9x DFVc Modem
Device ID: PCI\VEN_14F1&DEV_2702&SUBSYS_8D881028&REV_01\4&3B1CAF2B&0&08F0
Driver: n/a

Name: Game Port for SB Live! Series
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_7004&SUBSYS_10031102&REV_00\4&3B1CAF2B&0&11F0
Driver: n/a

Name: Creative SB Live! Series (WDM)
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0006&SUBSYS_10031102&REV_00\4&3B1CAF2B&0&10F0
Driver: n/a

Name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0172&SUBSYS_015A10DE&REV_A3\4&EC7A465&0&0008
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3994624 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nv4_disp.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 4527488 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 159810 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvhwvid.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 581632 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvapi.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 212992 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvoglnt.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 5644288 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcpl.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 7700480 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmctray.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 86016 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwddi.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 81920 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvnt4cpl.dll, 6.14.0010.11060 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 286720 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccs.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 229376 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdisps.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 5619712 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdispsr.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (Japanese), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 5255168 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvgames.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3047424 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvgamesr.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (Japanese), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3203072 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccss.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 188416 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccssr.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (Japanese), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 458752 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmobls.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 888832 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmoblsr.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (Japanese), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 2859008 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvvitvs.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 2924544 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvvitvsr.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (Japanese), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 2973696 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwss.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 1236992 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwssr.dll, 6.14.0010.9371 (Japanese), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 1732608 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\help\nvcpl.hlp, 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 177897 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\help\nvwcplen.hlp, 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 55444 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcod.dll, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 35840 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcodins.dll, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 35840 bytes

Name: D347PRT SCSI Controller
Device ID: PCI\D347PRT\0000
Driver: n/a
Post 25 Jul 2007, 19:16
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Borsuc



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Borsuc
Is your PC a laptop?
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kohlrak



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kohlrak
Desktop.
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LocoDelAssembly
Your code has a bug


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I don't understand how a Pentium4 was shipped with misserable 256 MB RAM. Perhaps you're lucky and your computer uses DDR2 memory, in such case I suggest a memory upgrade.

Also, before mayor changes I suggest to wait more, your computer is not so old and upgrading it could imply changing everything for not much performance improvement. Wait untill the upgrade can outperform your current computer by no less than four times.
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kohlrak



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Well, i need at least more memory. My computer can't handle all the junk that is running on it. And it's not just because i run alot.
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From the looks of it, getting a whole new computer is a smarter move than upgrading... No PCI-Express graphics port, DDR-1 ram probably, and not a socket 775 board?

If you can get enough money to buy a new computer, you really should do that. If you can't within a resonable timeframe, I'd say only upgrade the RAM (get a gig, should be cheap enough - I'd go for 2x512 and throw out the old 256meg, and run the new 2x512 in dual-channel mode), and save up for a new box.
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kohlrak



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Problem is, i've never built one from scratch and that sounds like the wisest option for getting a new computer, rather than a pre-made with vista or some other shmeal on it.
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Building from scratch isn't really a problem these days, it's hard to assemble wrongly if you buy the right parts. But you might be able to get a prebuilt one cheaper, and the quality of those are higher nowadays than it used to be.

Btw. there's not point in not getting a 64-bit capable CPU, even if you're not going to run a 64-bit OS... but well, if you don't go for a really old CPU, it's hard getting one that can't do 64-bit anyway. For a new system, I'd say go for at least a gig of ram (preferably two), at least a GeForce 7xxx series card (they should be *cheap* now that 8xxx are out), and some dualcore CPU...
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kohlrak



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Quote:
Building from scratch isn't really a problem these days, it's hard to assemble wrongly if you buy the right parts. But you might be able to get a prebuilt one cheaper, and the quality of those are higher nowadays than it used to be.


Eh, i just don't know where to get some of the basics that come with prebuilts, such as the casing for the tower.

Quote:
Btw. there's not point in not getting a 64-bit capable CPU, even if you're not going to run a 64-bit OS...


Price... Why get a 64 if you can't use it?

Quote:
but well, if you don't go for a really old CPU, it's hard getting one that can't do 64-bit anyway. For a new system, I'd say go for at least a gig of ram (preferably two), at least a GeForce 7xxx series card (they should be *cheap* now that 8xxx are out), and some dualcore CPU...


Aye, the ram. I despirately need a gig of ram. ANd a seperate tower would be nice, so i could seperate my servers from my other tasks and have better uptime on my servers.

I thank you all for your input, it's much appriciated.
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f0dder



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kohlrak wrote:

Eh, i just don't know where to get some of the basics that come with prebuilts, such as the casing for the tower.

Depends on where you live... isn't newegg.com or something "the standard" to buy from in the .us?

kohlrak wrote:

Price... Why get a 64 if you can't use it?

Even the cheap Pentium-D and AMD64 (duh Smile) processors support 64bit... so it's almost unavoidable. Unless you buy some very old chip, but that'd be silly since you'll most likely end up paying more for it, performance wise, than a more recent chip.
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Depends on where you live... isn't newegg.com or something "the standard" to buy from in the .us?


As i've been told... But we have others as well, including tiger.

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Even the cheap Pentium-D and AMD64 (duh ) processors support 64bit... so it's almost unavoidable. Unless you buy some very old chip, but that'd be silly since you'll most likely end up paying more for it, performance wise, than a more recent chip.


Meh, maybe i can take advantage of it to try me64...
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> Well, i know my PC needs upgrades

Give me your "old" components ? Laughing

> Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz

Unusably slow ??? Laughing

> Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS

Maybe this line gives the crucial hint ? Laughing

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Post 26 Jul 2007, 06:56
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kohlrak



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Maybe this line gives the crucial hint ?


XD But the problem is, all the software i use are windows only. Without it, i'm kinda screwed. Too bad i couldn't knock down to 95 or something, though. If my server software and other programs were compatable with one of those less hungry windows versions, i would have much less of a problem.
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kohlrak, I basically have a very similar setup to you (Dell Dimension 8200, P4 2.52 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, Win XP Home). I've also been (extremely carefully) looking at my options as well, and it does seem easier to buy another one than try upgrading what you already have. (Besides, then you'll have two, which is good for family use without bickering.) You can get a very good computer (IMO) for $700. But I truly don't know what you need / want really badly.

The one I'm using now was modded to have three HDs (needed an extra whatchamacallit for the 3rd ... extra IDE adapter??), a slightly-older ATI tv tuner card, and a DSL modem plus router (to have Net access on another cpu). We did have to replace the fan (and it whined at bootup until we put in a "Dell" one). But it's lasted five years. So yeah, you could just upgrade select parts, but unless you're really really cheap / strapped for cash, it may be better / easier in the long run (or even short) to just upgrade (annoying but does have some benefits). Upgrading RAM does indeed improve performance a lot. Definitely consider that (yes, it's a pain, though, get someone else to do it).

Dell computers have a good rep (better than most others, apparently), and the tech support is pretty good (as you probably know). Actually, Dell is now shipping some computers with (Ubuntu?) Linux (though I guess a Windows-entrenched guy like you doesn't want that even if, like me, you don't really want Vista).

P4's use lots more energy than newer chips (and run a lot slower too, even with fast clock speed), even if you don't need 64-bit. Yes, Vista ain't ideal (IMO), but I'm not sure what to really do about it (besides dual boot, liveCDs, or floppy OSes).

Tell your dad the truth. You don't need a new computer right now, but it would run a lot better / faster and "pay for itself" via the energy savings eventually.

I'm not Linux fanboy, and I've barely ever touched it, but I did recently try the SLAX Linux "Kill Bill" edition (Wine, DOSBox, QEMU) liveCD, and it actually worked much better than I thought (though I don't rely on Windows programs at all, so I'm really just a DOS hobbyist, don't have computer-related deadlines or school or crap like that, so take that with a grain of salt).
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f0dder



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Yeah, the P4's (or Pentium-D that the recent models are called) suck up a fair bit of juice...
Pentium-D 935 (3.20GHz) - 95W
Core2Duo E6550 - 65W

I didn't take the time to find direct links to AMD, but their figures according to the place I usually shop are 89W for the 2.6GHz 5200+, 65W for the "energy-efficient" version of the same CPU (which is even cheaper :s - dunno if it's slower in any way?)

Btw, another advantage of buying a new box once you can afford it... you can use the old box as a dedicated test/trash box.
Post 26 Jul 2007, 23:10
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I insist he should wait as much as he can but, if he want inmediate update a memory upgrade could be the best to do and keep the rest of the money for the future when obvioulsy more powerful hardware will be released.

If you care about planet then perhaps you should go ahead with the upgrade but if it is not the case then, is the electricity expensive in USA to worth the upgrade?
Post 26 Jul 2007, 23:30
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rugxulo wrote:
Upgrading RAM does indeed improve performance a lot. Definitely consider that (yes, it's a pain, though, get someone else to do it).


You must be talking about installing paired parity EDO SIMMs or something.

Installing a stick of RAM is as easy as it can get.

And yes, you should get a new computer. Dells are next to impossible to upgrade (proprietary power supply et al)

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If you care about planet then perhaps you should go ahead with the upgrade but if it is not the case then, is the electricity expensive in USA to worth the upgrade?


I don't know. I don't know the % the compy takes up.

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And yes, you should get a new computer. Dells are next to impossible to upgrade (proprietary power supply et al)


And i've been warned about locks on things as well.

As for waiting till the 4 times for the upgrades (i'll probably wait till then to buy a new computer), does any of you have a preferance for checking out what's comming up in the future so i can compare? All my computer news of what's comming up comes from sites just like fasm, here, where they debate on hardware upgrades in the off topic forum.
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