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Most favourite Asian
Jackie Chan
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 23%  [ 4 ]
Shaharukh Khan
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Amitabh Bachchan
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Someone else (Name the person)
76%
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MHajduk



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I don't know Uzbek, but I've found this:

Zangari Kema Uzbek - English Dictionary by William Dirks
Quote:
tamanno - flirtatious gesture. ~ qil-/Et-, ayla- to act flirtatiously or coquettishly; to ask for, to wish for.
Outline of Uzbek Grammar
Quote:
5. Olmoshlar (Pronouns)

(...)

b) O’zlik olmoshlari (reflexive pronouns): o’zim, o’zing, o’zi, o’zimiz, o’zingiz, o’zlari

(...)
"Tamanno o'zi" - "to flirt with (to coquet) himself/herself" (???) Laughing I only hope, that Uzbeks will forgive me my incompetent trials. Very Happy
Post 10 Jul 2007, 15:45
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MHajduk wrote:
...he is real Asian, because he is an Uyghur from East Turkestan (autonomic region Xinjiang in China). Not every Asian person has to be similar to Chinese and Japanese....

My dear Sherlock, NOT EVERY POLISH person, living in Chicago, is a North American Aboriginal "Indian".
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-07/06/content_1576929.htm
Even thousands of years ago, humans were TRADING, especially, along the "Silk route". When one writes "my favorite ASIAN", one is referring to the GENETIC phenotype with "mongoloid" features, such as one finds in Asia, (and in North and South America, because of the migration across the Siberian Land Bridge, 12,000 years ago....) One is NOT referring to the European, i.e. Caucasian phenotype, as is found in INDIA, Pakistan, and XinJiang. As one of the very few FASM forumers to have ACTUALLY visited Uzbekistan, please allow me to disabuse you of the notion that these are "ASIANS". Nonsense, sir. Sherlock Holmes you may be, but, now you are dealing with Dr. Watson, and sir, I must inform you that you have been imbibing a tad more opium than is good for the frontal lobes.... Asian means people with mongoloid features, and we do NOT find those features in Uzbekistan, home of one of my ancient heroes, Avicenna, also known as Ibn Sinna, the physician/mathematician/Astonomer/Mullah extraordinaire. He MEMORIZED the whole of Aristotle/Hippocrates medicine textbooks (in Greek), then rewrote it, in Arabic (his native language, Uzbek, is in the Altaic family, i.e. Turkish, i.e. NO RELATIONSHIP to either Arabic or Greek.) So here was a guy, living on the silk route, observing the Chinese physicians healing the wounded soldiers accompanying the caravans as they stopped in his hometown, Bukhara, and then, age 17, he cured the local prince, whose extraordinary library then opened up to Avicenna, where he encountered Greek medical ideas from 1500 years earlier, and he synthesized those two huge influences, Greek and Chinese, and created his own textbook, which was then translated by the Jews in Spain, into Latin, where it served as the WORLD'S LONGEST CONTINUOUSLY PUBLISHED textbook of medicine used in western Europe, particularly France and Italy. His portrait still stands in the Sorbonne in France.
So, dear friend, please do not confound ASIAN, with CAUCASIAN. The two races are distinct, regardless of where they may live. Your Uzbek singer hero is no more "Asian" than you or I.
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Post 10 Jul 2007, 17:04
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MHajduk



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Dear tom, I'm afraid that you misunderstood topic of this thread. For me word Asian means every person belonging to the nation living within the geographical limits of Asian continent.

And yes, I "have been imbibing a tad more opium", but this "opium" is a culture and history of Asiatic countries (I don't mean here religion so don't worry). Very Happy Believe me, it's a beatuful feeling to learn such interesting subject. Smile
tom tobias wrote:
Asian means people with mongoloid features, and we do NOT find those features in Uzbekistan
And Arabs, as a non-mongoloidal, aren't Asians, right? Then who they are? Europeans maybe? Wink
Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary wrote:
Main Entry: 1Asian
Pronunciation: 'A-zh&n also -sh&n
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or characteristic of the continent of Asia or its people

Main Entry: 2Asian
Function: noun
1 : a native or inhabitant of Asia
2 : a person of Asian descent
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In a forum, FASM, conceived and implemented by Europeans, comprising members, the overwhelming majority of whom are Caucasians, I maintain that it is logical and inferential to assume that "ASIAN" refers, by contrast, to those humans with Mongoloid features, rather than Negroid or Caucasian features, since the topic, as I understood it, involved ADMIRATION for a group DIFFERENT from ourselves (even though, clearly, some FASM forumers are not Caucasians.) The Catholic encyclopedia
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12620b.htm
has a detailed description of the attempts to categorize the racial subtypes of homo sapiens, based upon hair, skin, and skeletal features. The POLITICAL subdivision of continents is quite inaccurate, and generally useless for discussions about racial subtypes. One need only invoke India, with a plethora of different subtypes of Caucasians, to demonstrate the inutility of employing political subdivisions, when describing racial characteristics. India and Australia are NOT part of Asia, except in the minds of those confused about racial subtypes. With regard to your question of the Semitic tribes occupying Saudi Arabia, i.e. "Arabs", they are as Caucasian as you or I. They belong to the "Mediterranean" subtype, rather than to the "Nordic" or "Celtic" subtypes, within the umbrella of Caucasians. They are not "Europeans", since Europe is a political, not racial subtype. The question asked on this forum could just as well have focused on one's favorite NEGROID. In such a case, a photograph of a Caucasian, whose family had lived in South Africa for three hundred years, would be equally invalid. A photograph of one of the Australian aboriginal negroid peoples, on the other hand, would be a completely valid response to the question of one's favorite AFRICAN, since the assumption there would be that Africa is synonymous with Negroid, though, obviously, it is not. It is worth noting that such "melanysian negroid" peoples are found as well, in the highlands of VietNam (moi people), and many other "Asian" countries. http://www.raceandhistory.com/Science/AboriginesOrigin2.htm
Until the latter half of the twentieth century , the "hakujin", or AINU people of Japan, (i.e. the Caucasian, ORIGINAL inhabitants of Japan, who were all massacred by the Chinese immigrants, beginning about 2500 years ago,) still lived in Hokkaido:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/ARCTIC/ainu/html/room01.html
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tom

Fortunately topic master named this thread "Most favourite Asian" not "Most favourite Mongoloid" and we should search here similarities not differencies. "(my) Most favourite" means "this one, whose activity I like/respect". Your sentence
tom tobias wrote:
In a forum, FASM, conceived and implemented by Europeans, comprising members, the overwhelming majority of whom are Caucasians, I maintain that it is logical and inferential to assume that "ASIAN" refers, by contrast, to those humans with Mongoloid features, rather than Negroid or Caucasian features, since the topic, as I understood it, involved ADMIRATION for a group DIFFERENT from ourselves (even though, clearly, some FASM forumers are not Caucasians.)
could be unpleasant for some FASM forumers. Here
tom tobias wrote:
The two races are distinct, regardless of where they may live.
you are wrong again, because human "races" aren't distinct "specimens" and people could mix. In this world, fortunately, we couldn't point any 100% Caucasian, Mongoloid nor Negroid. There aren't genetical limits - one race fluently changes into another. Racial hatred should be buried 6 feets under the ground forever.

I'm curious, what you can say about the person who has 50% Caucasian and 50% Mongoloid blood? Who is he/she?
tom tobias wrote:
The POLITICAL subdivision of continents is quite inaccurate, and generally useless for discussions about racial subtypes.
It's a traditional subdivision and such classification is more clear than your absurdal racial system.

Remember that Poles are the one of most mixed nations in this world (thanks to history). For example, I'm a "greyeyed" Slav (and I was blond in my childhood), but in my veins flows also a little "eastern" (i.e. Tatar) blood. Besides, it's possible that some of my ancestors were Dutch settlers. Such situation is quite normal for all Poles living in (or coming from) eastern Poland.

Another mistake:
tom tobias wrote:
Your Uzbek singer hero is no more "Asian" than you or I.
He (Askar Huilang) is an Uyghur not Uzbek. That are similar Turk nations, but not the same.
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MHajduk wrote:
Poles are the one of most mixed nations in this world
Sure, and every nation, even the Eskimos, can claim heterogenity. Others can point to mitochondrial DNA studies to confirm that all humans evolved from a single female 180,000 years ago in Africa, i.e. HOMOGENEITY. The articles below provide ammunition for those adhering to either point of view.
http://artsci.wustl.edu/~landc/html/cann/
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/282/5389/654
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.html
http://psych.colorado.edu/~carey/hgss/hgsschapters/HGSS_Chapter14.pdf
Gregory Carey wrote:
To the geneticist race need not imply visual morphological differences and visual morphological differences need not imply race. Clearly, there are important differences between how geneticists define race and societies define race. The social definition is absolute and categorical. It is the type of box that we check when filling out a form; it is how demographic statistics are broken down; it is often how we think of someone that we have seen but never met simply on the basis of that person’s appearance; and it is based on clear, visual morphological differences.
Geneticists define race as a population with a characteristic set of allele frequencies and whose ancestors have tended to mate among themselves for an appreciable amount of time.

I urge you to read this last article, particularly the section discussing Orangutangs in Borneo/Sumatra (two different races, with identical appearance), and Jaguars (Single race, but with two completely different appearances.) Whether Askar (Oskar) is Uyghur or Uzbek, or Polish, he is nevertheless of the CAUCASIAN racial subtype, not the ASIAN (mongloid), or African (negroid) subtype. I am writing about GENETICS, not politics, when I refer to racial subtypes.
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tom tobias wrote:
Whether Askar (Oskar) is Uyghur or Uzbek, or Polish, he is nevertheless of the CAUCASIAN racial subtype, not the ASIAN (mongloid), or African (negroid) subtype.
You are wrong, because:
Victor Mair, a specialist in the ancient corpses and co-author of 'Mummies of the Tarim Basin' wrote:
Modern DNA and ancient DNA show that Uighurs, Kazaks, Kyrgyzs, the peoples of Central Asia are all mixed Caucasian and East Asian. The modern and ancient DNA tell the same story.
See "Genetic testing reveals awkward truth about Xinjiang’s famous mummies (AFP)" (Khaleej Times Online, article dated 19 April 2005) Very Happy
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MHajduk wrote:
...You are wrong,...
Wow, there's a shock. I may not be able to sit down for a week, still in awe for having erred on the Fasm Forum....
Actually, I am not sure whether I am wrong or not. I will be surprised to learn that a faculty member in the department of Chinese languages knows anything at all about base pair homologies, and I will wonder what kind of training he has in gel electrophoresis, so that he can interpret the original data....
Nevertheless, ASSUMING that this "FACT" is supported by actual DNA testing, then, what will we learn?????
Right now, we know NOTHING. Zilch. Nada.
Everyone is a mixture. The question is how much? For example, I bet you a glass of black Currant juice, that somewhere in Poland, there exists a chap, or a gal, whose great grandmother had a liason with some fellow from East Africa, i.e. Negroid. I bet in that case, that he/she is then 1/8 african, genetically, yet, looks (phenotypically) just like you or me.
When I wrote that your Askar, rock singer, Uighur, not Uzbek, was Caucasian, I did so on the basis of his appearance, (phenotype), not his genetics, (genotype, DNA based analysis). Even if I am wrong about Oskar, i.e. he is more than 50% Mongoloid, genetically--genotype---I still maintain that the majority of the Uighur population is LARGELY Caucasoid, both phenotypically, and genotypically.
The answer to that question should be easy to ascertain. More difficult to explain, in my opinion, is how the Hui survived, and prospered? Were they the descendants of the armed guards accompanying the silk caravans through the muslim states? To me, the Hui seem to be purely Mongoloid, yet, they are devout Muslims, so, the implication is that there was some kind of physical interaction with the Muslims, else, how could Islam have made such an enormous inroad into China? Hui easily outnumber the other religious sects in China. Islam is kind of a touchy subject in modern China, not only because of demands for independence from the Uighurs, but also because of the example which independence for XinJiang would create vis a vis Tibet and Taiwan. The latter two receive all the publicity, but in terms of quantity of people, or abundance of raw materials, XinJiang is far more important.
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There is the issue of travel... Generally speaking, while modern day may have ruined it all and mixed us all up, historically, most people could not afford to travel trough some natural obstacles, and distinct, genetically seperatable populations formed, with very few exceptions. Those identifiers provided the basis for the concept of race.

This however is not wholly relevant right now, because we CAN travell... tho I will mention that in just genetics, a lot of interesthing things can happen when you mix genes between populations that have been kept appart for a long time. Hybrids thus are much more different from the non-hybrid population as the identified races are from eachother.

Genetics IMHO is an interesting science, racism is not.
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seems to me Sabaku no gaara is the best asian


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Duh.
Only 2 persons like Jackie Chan
And one is me.

But hey, I hail Jackie Chan.
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Since I haven't met any Asian personally or read books/articles/anything from them (or I'm simply not aware of that Wink ), then I'll only comment on actors 'cause I have seen movies with Asians Smile.

Jackie Chan is a cool all-around guy, I love his monkey-style action (it's a compliment Very Happy). But as I am not a fan of action with some comedy style, I didn't vote him, though he is second.

Bruce Lee, well this one's more serious and like him but not no.1.

Who do you think is my number 1? Well since I saw Alien Lockdown on TV some time ago I'll probably say it briefly: Michelle Goh Very Happy Very Happy
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MHajduk wrote:
tom tobias wrote:
Whether Askar (Oskar) is Uyghur or Uzbek, or Polish, he is nevertheless of the CAUCASIAN racial subtype, not the ASIAN (mongloid), or African (negroid) subtype.
You are wrong, because:
Victor Mair, a specialist in the ancient corpses and co-author of 'Mummies of the Tarim Basin' wrote:
Modern DNA and ancient DNA show that Uighurs, Kazaks, Kyrgyzs, the peoples of Central Asia are all mixed Caucasian and East Asian. The modern and ancient DNA tell the same story.
See "Genetic testing reveals awkward truth about Xinjiang’s famous mummies (AFP)" (Khaleej Times Online, article dated 19 April 2005) Very Happy


I can't believe this. I didn't think it was possible to turn a thread like this into some sort of debate...
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kohlrak wrote:
I can't believe this. I didn't think it was possible to turn a thread like this into some sort of debate...
Don't forget that it was you, who started it:
kohlrak wrote:
hello bottom picture. XD As for the top picture, i can't tell if he's really asian (not that the name isn't a clue) but the person looks like they just got done with a really bad movie.
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MHajduk wrote:
kohlrak wrote:
I can't believe this. I didn't think it was possible to turn a thread like this into some sort of debate...
Don't forget that it was you, who started it:
kohlrak wrote:
hello bottom picture. XD As for the top picture, i can't tell if he's really asian (not that the name isn't a clue) but the person looks like they just got done with a really bad movie.


Actually, i said i wasn't sure if he was asian or not, you responded correcting my in-ability to perseive.

MHajduk wrote:
Not every Asian person has to be similar to Chinese and Japanese. Wink
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Victor H. Mair "Recent Physical Anthropological Studies of the Tarim Basin Mummies and Related Populations" Proceedings of the Sixteenth Annual UCLA Indo-European Conference Los Angeles,2004:
Victor H. Mair wrote:
Thus, the Hui (Muslims whose Persian, Arabic, and other West Asian and Central Asian ancestors have been living in China for as much as a thousand or more years) display basically East Asian genetic features, whereas the Turkic speaking Uyghurs of East Central Asia are basically European with some East Asian admixture....
Based on haplogroup inferences, Uyghurs posses both lineages that can be traced back to West Asia (Iranians in particular), like U7, and lineages that are more frequent in present-day populations of Eastern Europe, such as H, T, and U2e....
(page 21)

For the benefit of those foolish FASM forumers, who accept the concept of taboo subjects (I do not),
Dr. Mair wrote:
Since this is a taboo subject among the majority of western scholars, I have avoided the use of terms like Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid which are frequently encountered in the scientific and social scientific literature written in Chinese. (page 25)
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I have strange feeling, that we talk about the same, but with different words. Smile I don't care about percentage of Mongoloid blood flowing in Uzbek or Uyghur veins. I mentioned them here, because they are Asians for me (accordingly to definitions from Polish geography handbooks and Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary for example; "inhabitants of Asia").

These people could be even half-Martians Wink and I will still like them because of their artistic (and business) talents. I like their color sense (fantastic tissues) and music feeling. Their appearance is also nice in my opinion. I've found in Central Asian music some features (e.g. interesting rhythms and arrangement) which are absent in European and American. Smile When I see & listen to their shows I feel simple glad and "cool".
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