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kohlrak 28 Jun 2007, 11:22
of course it's a toy, hence the ego killing... But irregardless, using windows xp isn't much of a protest. XD
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rugxulo 28 Jun 2007, 15:01
f0dder, this is not an attack on you, but ...
I resent it when people call great work like Menuet, DexOS, OctaOS, SolarOS "toy OSes" because they don't do everything. These OSes run FASM and much other good stuff. Maybe the more appropriate term "hobby OS" would be (mostly) less demeaning. Yes, they could be improved, but come on, they ain't that bad! Menuet is even mentioned in an OSnews.com article: Roundup of Free Operating Systems. P.S. For the record, I consider things like TetrOS, NanoOS2, and DebugOS "toys". |
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28 Jun 2007, 15:01 |
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f0dder 28 Jun 2007, 16:01
Well, "hobby OS" would be a less derogatory term - I don't mean any harm by "toy", though. And that is still what I consider menuet. It's always had this "cool, we can boot into pmode with graphics, now let's see what else we can add" feel to me, rather than "great, now we have a solid working kernel, let's add graphics and perhaps port some stuff".
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28 Jun 2007, 16:01 |
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Filter 30 Jun 2007, 13:55
I've been using Vista for a while now and I have no problems with it. All of the applications that I use are compatible with it in one way or another so I have no problems to report. It took a while for compatible versions of some software to come out but since I mainly use open source software for things like encryption or cd/dvd burning the updates are free and frequent.
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30 Jun 2007, 13:55 |
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madmatt 02 Jul 2007, 09:27
I second what Filter said. Just for the record, my computer is a 3.2ghz Emachines with 1gb mem (minus 128mb for STILL only motherboard graphics). Vista runs about the same speed as WindowsXP did. The interface IS a great improvement over XP. The sidebar is handy to have for news, time, weather, and other info. All of my retro game/computer emulators work with Vista (MAME, CCS64, GENS, ZSNES, fceu - NES emulator, WinUAE - Commodore Amiga emulator), Older programs work too (Flat Assembler - This HAD to work
 , or would have re-installed XP, and it does work very nicely  ), Paint Shop Pro 5, ZPaint(button making utility), Olly debug. And finally, Visual C++ 2005 and Visual C# 2005 work good too with a downloadable patch. The only programs that you'll have problems with are really old 16-bit applications. I agree with many reports that you shouldn't even think about getting the "Home Basic" version unless you are really low on cash. So get Home Premium or better, if you can afford it. |
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02 Jul 2007, 09:27 |
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f0dder 02 Jul 2007, 11:15
madmatt wrote:
Wrong, a lot of 32bit applications will have problems as well... that is mainly because those applications are ill-behaved (writing to HKLM instead of HKCU, trying to touch files outside %APPDATA%, etc...), but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of stuff breaks under Vista. Sidebar being a great enhancement? Heh. You can get that kind of crap for XP as well, and with less resource usage as well. |
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02 Jul 2007, 11:15 |
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rugxulo 02 Jul 2007, 23:03
madmatt wrote: Older programs work too (Flat Assembler - This HAD to work Okay, it works, but if it didn't (for some crazy reason), I guess running in a virtual environment (e.g. DOSBox, DOSEMU, WINE, BOCHS, QEMU) wouldn't work for you? 
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Really old or just all 16-bit stuff? We're not talking Win64 here, are we (where no 16-bit stuff works because of no V86 mode). VESA graphics for DOS programs won't work without full screen, and from what I've heard (don't have Vista, haven't really used it), none of that is allowed (yet?? Let's hope they update their drivers or whatever is preventing this. Kinda lame to dump such for no reason.) madmatt wrote:
It's supposedly the same DVD no matter what version you buy. The license key decides what type of Vista you get. Therefore, it's quite easy to upgrade to a better version of Vista (e.g. Premium, Ultimate, whatever) when / if you decide to. |
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02 Jul 2007, 23:03 |
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madmatt 04 Jul 2007, 10:45
[RUGXULO]
Quote: Really old or just all 16-bit stuff? We're not talking Win64 here, are we (where no 16-bit stuff works because of no V86 mode). VESA graphics for DOS programs won't work without full screen, and from what I've heard (don't have Vista, haven't really used it), none of that is allowed (yet?? Let's hope they update their drivers or whatever is preventing this. Kinda lame to dump such for no reason.) Win64? No. I Have 32-bit system. My old 16-bit dos demos won't run anymore, keeps giving me an "ms-dos subsystem can't run app in full screen mode" error. maybe DOSBox would be the answer. [FODDER] Quote: Wrong, a lot of 32bit applications will have problems as well... that is mainly because those applications are ill-behaved (writing to HKLM instead of HKCU, trying to touch files outside %APPDATA%, etc...), but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of stuff breaks under Vista. Sidebar being a great enhancement? Heh. You can get that kind of crap for XP as well, and with less resource usage as well. What 'Stuff' have you had problems with? Nothing I've used on XP has "broke" under Vista. I had to update my drivers to Vista, and everything went smooth there. Even my old lexmark printer works normally. I DO agree with the "OS Bloat" argument. The memory requirements of Vista are just terrible. I'm sure some of us assembly programmers can squeeze a lot of fat out of the Vista OS.    |
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04 Jul 2007, 10:45 |
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vid 04 Jul 2007, 11:46
For example Total Commander is broken under XP64 / Vista64, because it is 32bit-only app, written in some weird pascal compiler that doesn't support 64bit. As a result, some directories are mirrored into others, and you can't access the real directories.
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04 Jul 2007, 11:46 |
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Filter 04 Jul 2007, 16:06
vid wrote: For example Total Commander is broken under XP64 / Vista64, because it is 32bit-only app, written in some weird pascal compiler that doesn't support 64bit. As a result, some directories are mirrored into others, and you can't access the real directories. Delphi 1 & 2 aren't exactly obscure pascal compilers (well, not from my point of view anyway). The compilers are so old there is no doubt they will have problems behaving correctly with newer versions of windows. Total commander would probably be compatible if the author upgraded to Delphi 2007 and the source code would probably be easy to upgrade as well. Vista doesn't allow full screen console or DOS applications and I doubt they will ever allow them. I think this may be for security reasons or maybe it's simple some issue related to Aero. Your best bet is probably to download VPC and install FreeDOS or MS-DOS 6.22. |
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04 Jul 2007, 16:06 |
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rugxulo 12 Jul 2007, 20:07
Filter wrote: Vista doesn't allow full screen console or DOS applications and I doubt they will ever allow them. I think this may be for security reasons or maybe it's simple some issue related to Aero. Your best bet is probably to download VPC and install FreeDOS or MS-DOS 6.22. Maybe because it directly accesses video card / video memory in full screen? (I dunno really.) DOSBox is probably smaller than VPC (0.70 is only 1448 Kb for Win32, 5801 Kb for "universal binary" Mac OS X) although I dunno how big VPC is.
BTW, FreeDOS 1.0 is much, much better than MS-DOS 6.22 in my experience. Don't waste your time on old software unless you're sure it will do exactly what you want. |
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12 Jul 2007, 20:07 |
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drhowarddrfine 12 Jul 2007, 22:56
I gave up on Windows about a year ago. I use FreeBSD for everything and only keep an old box with XP on it to test web sites in IE.
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12 Jul 2007, 22:56 |
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sleepsleep 14 Jul 2007, 15:06
scare people out of hell
http://www.abanet.org/journal/ereport/jy13tkjasn.html Quote: But with Vista “you can look in there and see something was accessed on Monday, Tuesday and Saturday at such-and-such a time going back months.” if using windows xp, please disabled the volume shadow copy service |
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14 Jul 2007, 15:06 |
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FrozenKnight 16 Jul 2007, 22:25
I tried Vista for about 5 days before i finally said F*** it, this is too idiotic. (I don't cuss either) all the settings have been moved it nothing is intuitive. granted there is less user input which may make it easier for beginners but it's annoying for anyone with any experience.
Has anyone tried connecting vista to a wireless router that wasn't set up using windows default settings, that alone took me 4 hours to figure out. (about 30 min on XP, to get completely configured.) ad that was one of the easier things I managed to do on vista. This along with the MS announcement that vista will be obsolete in 2 years. Who the hell is buying this... the only reason anyone is even looking at vista is the MS announcement that XP is not going to be supported any more at the end of the year. I'm hoping soon that device makers will make fully complaint drivers for linux allowing linux to become a OS more powerful and widespread than windows. when that day comes it will indeed be a glorious day for the information world. |
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16 Jul 2007, 22:25 |
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rugxulo 17 Jul 2007, 04:12
Why doesn't Microsoft bundle both XP and Vista together? At least then we wouldn't all be whining about how incompatible / different it is. You'd get both the old / stable / compatible and the new / different / fancy / powerful. We could then at least use both whenever the need arises. (I'm very irritated that every new computer comes with Vista. Can't these computer companies exert the word "no"??)
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17 Jul 2007, 04:12 |
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FrozenKnight 17 Jul 2007, 09:34
Why cant buying a vista license enable you to use same key on an xp equivalent or lesser CD. Microsoft would stop all the complaints. or if they really plan to discontinue XP why not just make it open soruce. Or at least the paerts they consider obsolete.
My personal belief is that when Microsoft discontinues XP. they will loose the home PC section of the market. |
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17 Jul 2007, 09:34 |
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f0dder 17 Jul 2007, 13:20
FrozenKnight wrote:
Of course they can't do that - there's lots of intellectual property in there, and probably not just Microsoft's own. FrozenKnight wrote:
Unfortunately, people are lemmings, so Vista will prevail. Sad but true. |
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17 Jul 2007, 13:20 |
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blacky 19 Jul 2007, 19:22
The only way id get Vista is if someone dropped a free copy on the floor for me.
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19 Jul 2007, 19:22 |
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Gizmo 19 Jul 2007, 22:26
Longhorn is the codename for vista, they are one and the same.
Vista is the newest kernel since xp (which is just a polished and fixed version of windows NT). The biggest change from xp and vista would be how drivers are implemented, instead of drivers having access to the hardware the drivers have to run as a user mode task and tunnel through the kernel to talk to the hardware (eliminates all of those blue screen issues in xp with drivers crashing the system) ...that and they rewrote most of the gdi stuff so many things dont exactly operate like they used to. All of the gdi stuff is now handled by directx instead of being a separate gdi path to the graphics adapter. There were some issues with the repainting of windows and the transparent window style not sending input to the thread that owns the window, etc. There is also some changes to virtual memory handling that is supposed to allow you to choose some apps that have priority over memory, also you can use flash drives as a faster form of page file but i think it shows up to the user as physical ram, but it is really just a faster page file. It uses way too much memory for what little improvements it does have, do they use 2056x2056 32 bpp bitmaps for the gui or something? Most motherboards are still maxxing at 3 gigs of ram so if vista hogs the first gig, that leaves only 2 gigs left, not good for you gamers out there. If your buying it simply for the gui makeover, save your money and download windowblinds (its a windows shell mod app that lets you make and download custom skins for windows). You could install a vista lookalike skin on win95 if you wanted too. |
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