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Do you use Microsoft Windows Vista OS now?
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DOS386



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Maverick wrote:

> I still haven't downgraded the ugly Windows2000 with the uglier

Joining. Shocked
Post 17 Jun 2007, 23:26
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If microsoft was really worried about stability, they'd include a debug boot disk with the cd. That boot disk would include a hex editor, a simple file explorer, an assembler, and other neat little goodies that we could use to fix a problem when something like the security tables get screwed and no one has access even in safe mode. My windows xp registry is still corrupted...
Post 17 Jun 2007, 23:35
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vid
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AFAIK they provide system recovery
Post 17 Jun 2007, 23:35
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Which dosn't always fix the problem. They need something independent of the installation. Something that can't be messed with.
Post 17 Jun 2007, 23:38
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Hey I heard Bill Gates limits his children's computer time to 45 mins a day!
Post 19 Jun 2007, 06:24
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f0dder wrote:
Vista... too big and bloated and slow, and doesn't (yet) have anything new to show, just higher memory and cpu consumption.


Laughing Hahahaahahaa...try actually using it on a machine its designed for, you will get a reduction in general CPU load as the GUI is running off the GPU. OSes are changing, looking at a CPU/RAM monitor and saying "wow thats really bloated" doesn't apply these days. Windows will make use of spare CPU time and will make use of RAM when you don't need it, why shouldn't it? Did you buy that $1000 CPU and $500 2GB RAM stick just so you could then spend as much time as possible ensuring it's usage never goes over 1%? When your uber app needs to hog the CPU or RAM for something Windows will happily oblige you; at all other times it will use it for whatever it sees fit to improve your computing experience. Welcome to 21st century mate.

f0dder wrote:
so call me an idiot.


Glad to oblige; You're an idiot.

Why is it that every time a new version of windows is realeased its the same old thing "No way am I upgrading to that heap of junk. I'm sticking with Win version X" etc. Only to say the exact same thing the next time a new version is released except replace "heap of junk" with whatever "Win version X" was a the time. Do you really think MS developers are sitting around all day getting paid shite loads of cash to come up with new ways to make Windows worse?? Wake up and smell reality mate Shocked

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Post 21 Jun 2007, 02:58
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Do you really think MS developers are sitting around all day getting paid shite loads of cash to come up with new ways to make Windows worse??


YES. I buy it.
Post 21 Jun 2007, 06:25
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WytRaven wrote:

Hahahaahahaa...try actually using it on a machine its designed for, you will get a reduction in general CPU load as the GUI is running off the GPU.

AMD64x2 4400+, 2gig ram, GeForce7600 GT/256meg... that ought to be within the target specs.

All I see is increased CPU and memory usage, a GUI that hasn't really become any smoother (although that's largely because of the new layout manager... the control panel, for instance, is horrible).

And don't forget that regular GDI has been hardware accelerated for ages. True, not at the level Vista is bringing it to, but that level just doesn't bring any decent performance gain yet, just look at fps benchmark for games. Sure, only a few percent slower, but it's slower. Yeah yeah, drivers maturing etc.

WytRaven wrote:

OSes are changing, looking at a CPU/RAM monitor and saying "wow thats really bloated" doesn't apply these days. Windows will make use of spare CPU time and will make use of RAM when you don't need it, why shouldn't it?

Using RAM for more aggressive caching and releasing the cache when the ram is needed for applications is a good idea. Too bad that's not just what's causing the memory bloat in vista. Spare CPU time... I'd rather not have a lot of strange background tasks running that I haven't asked for - especially not when they cause disk activity as well.

WytRaven wrote:

Did you buy that $1000 CPU and $500 2GB RAM stick just so you could then spend as much time as possible ensuring it's usage never goes over 1%?

I spent the money so I could get a fast and responsive system that can do some heavy number crunching, not to have a bloated piece-of-shit operating system making my box feel like a P3 celeron.

WytRaven wrote:

Do you really think MS developers are sitting around all day getting paid shite loads of cash to come up with new ways to make Windows worse?? Wake up and smell reality mate Shocked

I respect the kernel developers, they are pretty talented people, and they have done some nice improvents in vista. I'd like most of the GUI and related developers lined up and shot, though. As well as the people responsible for the added DRM and other crap.

It's really embarassing that they spent so much time on vista, and this was all they could come up with. Installation is slower, even though it supposedly has a smarter system. Graphics don't seem smoother even though they've moved to 3D acceleration (heck, apart from being buggy as hell, the linux compiz and beryl projects for once seem better designed).

Things haven't gotten faster and better with vista. It's just a bunch of ugly eye-candy, DRM lock-in, etc. Two of the vista-only things that are interesting, namely DX10 and support for the hybrid flash/disk drives, could easily be done on XP, but are being limited to vista by MS to have some selling point to the people who aren't fischer-price-GUI lemmings.
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Software and Hardware marketing theory of Kohlrak:

1. Call it faster, since the users can't tell the difference.

2. Make it slow, hardware companies will love you and it'll help you in the long run, because your crappy program will still sell just as much, but now the hardware companies will love you more for helping them sell.

3. Make it sound good, because the actual quality dosn't matter. Spend all your work time eating doughnuts and wait till the last minuite to come up with something crappy really quick.

4. Don't bother debugging. People will buy new stuff if it's burned out and they'll come to you anyway. The people who buy from you will always take the "it slipped by, it won't happen again" excuse.

5. Don't bother with tech support. Pay some bum on the street to read off of condition note cards.

I have more to the theory but i think you get the idea.

EDIT: You know. If MenuetOS' developers stuck with the 32 bit version, i'm sure lots of people (and i'm not referring to FASM members) would switch over to it just to protest against microsoft. Now we'd have to upgrade our hunks of junk to switch to menuet to protest. Switching to a free OS to protest against microsoft on a mass scale of just about everyone could just well be all microsoft needs to start shaping up, but since we can't get everyone in the world against them they will continue to rule the world. Maybe menuet64'll be ready for the next version of windows that we protest against.
Post 21 Jun 2007, 10:48
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rugxulo



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Is it really Microsoft's fault or the customers who must have every latest and greatest new technology / advancement? If you had to cater to 80% of the world, you'd be bloated too.

If you want an OS that runs with less requirements, you'll have to use something else. (And there are other choices, see OS News.)

EDIT: Oh, I forgot: Vista SP1 Beta Expected This Year
Post 25 Jun 2007, 00:05
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I'm using Windows XP Pro and Xubuntu Linux (a ligher version of Ubuntu) right now.
My new machine will arrive this week and I won't install Vista. I didn't buy it with the PC and I told them I'll not use Vista.
So I'll be installing Win XP and Ubuntu on my new PC.
I'll try to not use it as long as I can (untill they force us). I'm already using Ubuntu Linux as my main OS. I haven't booted Win XP for 1 month. I don't think I need Vista.

FOR THOSE WHO SEEK A BEAUTIFUL OS INSTALL UBUNTU. Windows will never be as beautiful as Linux, because on Linux you have lots of options of GUI: Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc.
Right now I'm using XFCE on Ubuntu with Aqua theme (from Mac OS) and very happy.
Ubuntu still have desktop effects like the 3D dektop and is a lot ligher then Vista.

The only 2 reasons I still keep Win XP are: Games and doing programming targeting Windows.
For everything else I use Ubuntu, because it rocks and they send you free CDs.

I'll never use Vista as long as I can. If they keep only supporting Vista and forget XP I'll only use Ubuntu and maybe BSD on my machine. Let's fight the bloat! They want us to keep buying new machines for having a fancy & buggy OS!
Post 26 Jun 2007, 17:32
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Everytime hardware gets updgraded, Windows and other software gets bloated too.
That's why we never get a fast experience of our machines!

I'll be trying to keep the best lighness and usefullness rate for my new machine, so I can see a reason WHY I UPGRADED my machine.
I'm sticking to Win XP (very configured and cleaned with good optimization software) and light Linux distros and BSDs.
I think everybody should do the same to protest agaist MS.
I'll tell you again: With Ubuntu you get a lighter and more beautiful desktop than Vista and for free.
Post 26 Jun 2007, 17:49
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Ozzy: I agree, new ubuntu is finally good replacement for clickery operating system. It still has long way to go to become as usable in this manner as XP, but it's on the way and we should help it (i already did 2 bug reports Smile )
Post 26 Jun 2007, 18:50
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Just keep in mind that the 3D stuff for linux is still pretty flaky - it is lighter than Vista, but it's even more unstable Smile

Also, remember that there's custom shells and explorers available for windows, and that windows can also be highly themed with stuff like windowsblinds.

Not defending Vista though, it blows.
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Sticking to XP is not going to be a decent protest against microsoft, since XP is also a microsoft product (as you all know). Though, if we really wanted to protest windows, we'd all start switching to non-windows OSes... Like menuet or something.
Post 27 Jun 2007, 01:20
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kohlrak wrote:
Sticking to XP is not going to be a decent protest against microsoft, since XP is also a microsoft product (as you all know). Though, if we really wanted to protest windows, we'd all start switching to non-windows OSes... Like menuet or something.

Menuet? Bwa-ha.

There's basically three realistic alternatives to Windows right now... Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. How realistic those alternatives are, though, depend on what you use your computer for.

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Hey I heard Bill Gates limits his children's computer time to 45 mins a day!

I've heard he doesn't handle competition very well... Wink
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Do you really think MS developers are sitting around all day getting paid shite loads of cash to come up with new ways to make Windows worse??

They are getting paid for introducing the very "features" MS partners want, now including their new partners: MPAA (Hollywood et al) and RIAA.
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Menuet? Bwa-ha.

There's basically three realistic alternatives to Windows right now... Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. How realistic those alternatives are, though, depend on what you use your computer for.


Menuet would be perfect. It's still in development. What better to send a jolt down MS' ego?

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I've heard he doesn't handle competition very well...


A new type of humor. Gates humour? XD

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They are getting paid for introducing the very "features" MS partners want, now including their new partners: MPAA (Hollywood et al) and RIAA.


Great.. No wonder MS is bloated.. Holy wood is a hell of a place to ask for features with speed improvements. Dosn't he know how many STDs the people there have? I mean shit, he has most of the money in the world, why would he care about making more by asking hollywood? What's he looking for, Anna's drug sources? Eh... Maybe things'll change. I heard he's steppin' down to medical department and letting another freak in charge. Maybe this other freak'll have some intellegence.
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DOS386



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if we really wanted to protest windows, we'd all start switching to non-windows OSes


OK ... and they also should have less "features" and be less memory, CPU and HD hoggy than "windows" ... or Linux Confused
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I never tried linux so i woudln't know. XD
Post 28 Jun 2007, 01:18
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