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Hi there !

Those of you who think It's a stupid question should post a $ in there reply and those who do not, should post a *. Okay !

Now let's start ...

Why F.A.s.m. (I loved writing it that way) is free and even Open-Sourced whereas the processor that it supports, Intel (the money-making-giant) is not even cheap (to say the least) ?

I mean is'nt it the case that a 16-bit and 32-bit and 64-bit assembler for Intel is more important, more valuable, more useful than the processor itself.
It definitely took great-efforts on T.G.'s part.

Should I expect that intel becomes cheaper than it is (money-wise cheaper or may be free ?) now ?

Ummmmmm ... huh !
Post 01 Apr 2007, 09:39
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In case that you don't know, AMD Processors are fully x86/x86-64 compatible, and they are much cheaper than most Intel Processors.
Post 01 Apr 2007, 10:46
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It is free an open source because Tomasz Grysztar is a good man... that is all.

If you can think out of the box of capitalismus and money making then you will discover that CREATION and then giving it away for free are normal ways of existence.

Take the Sun for example: it does not ask for a tax on it's free light and energy ...

It is just human race that is twisted around. However some of this race members are honorable...
Post 01 Apr 2007, 11:27
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bogdanontanu wrote:
It is free an open source because Tomasz Grysztar is a good man...
Take the Sun for example: it does not ask for a tax on it's free light and energy ...
It is just human race that is twisted around. However some of this race members are honorable...

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bogdanontanu wrote:
CREATION and then giving it away for free are normal ways of existence
Every programmer makes some programs for free and some others for... food. Wink

Your example with the Sun is beautiful, but improper. Humans aren't stars and for their existence need energy from environment. Smile
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Quote:

Every programmer makes some programs for free and some others for... food. Wink

Your example with the Sun is beautiful, but improper. Humans aren't stars and for their existence need energy from environment. Smile


Nothing stops human race form rearranging its society in such a way as to make work not needed anymore. Robots in factories programmed by idealistic people like Tomasz (or me etc) could generate all the goods that we need to exist and even more.

The current "work for food" slavery is an arrangement that you are indoctrinated from early stages and it grows inside you with your high hopes to transform your knowledge into money and wealth.

In fact you are just being manipulated and used.

There are many slogans of this capitalistic manipulation but one that I hear very often is saying that if people will not have to work for food then they will do nothing and become lazy and the evolution will stagnate.

FASM and Tomasz and others that CREATE software for free are a good example that this will not happen.

Of course that every human is tired from useless every day work at the office. However after some deserved holidays each and every human becomes creative in beautiful ways if you stop this "need for work" stuff..

This is te natural way of things. Even after work time some people still find resources in order to create things for free.

I know this race change towards freedom and creation will never happen. Do not worry I do know and respect the power of the slave masters that rule this world... after all I was one of them!

However I wanted to point it out that left alone people usually become creators of beautiful wonders...and FASM and Tomasz are one very good example of this.(but there are others also)

I bet Thomasz did have his doubts IF and WHAT IF he could close the sources of FASM and sell it and make a "living" out of this software. At least I know for sure that I did oscillate with my products...

Choosing the right path is never easy ... But I think making FASM free and open source and so much easy to port to different OS architectures was the right and good decision to make

I also know that this free open source movement does bother a lot the people that want to make money from software products...

Maybe the Sun knows something about a better way ... Wink

And maybe people are in fact stars... but have forgotten about this and act as "humans" ...

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LocoDelAssembly
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Quote:

There are many slogans of this capitalistic manipulation but one that I hear very often is saying that if people will not have to work for food then they will do nothing and become lazy and the evolution will stagnate.

FASM and Tomasz and others that CREATE software for free are a good example that this will not happen.


Unfortunatelly, you are wrong. That example isn't a good proof that ALL the humans will create for free and recieve the food from robots. If the human can recieve food for free then how many people will work/create for free? 10 millons? The inhabitants of this planet are a lot more than that. And believe me, not all the people has the dignity to work, there is people here in Argentina that since them recieve government help all that they do is wait for the next free help, drink beer and wine, sends its kids to ask for money, and lots of more things instead of try to prospere and leave the "misery villiges". Not all the people living in there do all that but a significant part do that...

To start a new way of life it's mandatory a cultural change first, otherwise I think that the slogan is right and I see real examples of what happens when people get things free
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NO, you are wrong Very Happy

But I enjoy the fact that in this life or in another life you will have the opportunity to discover how and why you are wrong... and I will not destroy that beautiful moment with an logical explanation here Wink

IF you will honestly use your heart you will understand why those people behave like that and the real reasons behind it and the beauty of it...
...until then i wish you all the good things Wink

Trust me under the correct conditions all humans will be creators better than Einstein himself... all of them!

Now you see things arround you but you do not have the"eye of understanding" in order to really "see" Wink
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LocoDelAssembly
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OK, excluding them for a while: People here has the culture of do the less work as possible and force to get well paid with a strike every day if necessary*. Argentina runs bad, but with a way of live like you propose if Argentina prosper then we can confirm the God existence...

*Again it doesn't mean all people but a big mass. And many times the strikes for better salaries are right just because it is low but the quality of the job the people do is not so well for that salary nor the increased one...
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These asinine pseudo philosophical debates are always a big waste of time.
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because Tomasz Grysztar is a good man... that is all.


YES. Smile

Some people can troll on everything Sad
Post 02 Apr 2007, 05:47
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because Tomasz Grysztar is a good man... that is all.


Not only that,but he was extremely wise.
You have no idea how much is means to me that I can run FASM in DOS,Windows,
and Linux with no noticable differences!

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just watched this nice thread Wink
m:
check these out
http://www.opencores.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_hardware
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=183701660
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hardware/Components/Processors/Open_Source/

the open source is a nice wave & spirit that if maintained correctly, (without adding new feature that jeopardized the initial aim), we could improve society into next level. where everybody would DIY everything for their own use without depend on one source to get the particular product.

it is easy to share something we don't want, or something that just abundance, but damn hard to share something that we really want.

it is hard to start a business, but more harder to maintain that business Smile

life would be more rich if everybody willing to try and DIY everything from scratch.
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Thanks to all !
It is nice to see that there are so many like-minded people out there !

sleepsleep and penang thanks for the links (I will see these later).

Hey sleepsleep, why double-sleep, just one should have worked ?
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I'd like to see the following:
If someone has a great $$$ idea how to incorporate fasm into a sellable product, it should do it and give revenue to the founder of fasm.
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zir_blazer wrote:
In case that you don't know, AMD Processors are fully x86/x86-64 compatible, and they are much cheaper than most Intel Processors.


not true.. if you read APC magazine you see that Intel's high end processors are alot cheaper than AMD's high end processors

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