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LocoDelAssembly
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Today another house quite near from mine was assaulted when the owner was going to enter the house. We are having a ratio of one assaulted house every ~4 months only in four blocks around (and never with the house alone which also compromise the life of the people living there).

Where you live is so secure like that? I'll omit how it is on the streets because it is for crying...

The minister of security says that the insecurity is just a "sensation" and "we have the security standards like in USA and other 1st world countries". People belonging to those countries are really living so insecure?

Sorry if I'm telling something absolutely normal but there was a time not many years ago when these things didn't happen so frecuently (almost never).

PS: If you're planning to visit Argentina try to avoid the province of Buenos Aires, go more to the south which is more secure (and beautiful).
Post 29 Mar 2007, 02:48
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vid
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What exactly does "assaulted" mean?

In Slovakia, living still feels secure. Bigger the city is, it's less secure. In some villages you don't even have to lock doors Smile

Situation was almost 100% allright before 89, during socialism. I think there was no big fear of stealing then. But after revolution, and after western "culture" was brought in, it started worsening, some gangs evolved etc. etc..

Real problems like this are only in two areas:
1. in big cities, there are only few of them
2. in middle Slovakia, where there are lots of gypsies. These love to make all sorts of problems you can imagine. Also they are totally impossible to handle, and EU rights are even more tying our hands.
Post 29 Mar 2007, 11:12
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revolution
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vid wrote:
But after revolution ...
Hmm, okay, I know it was all my fault. I'll try to be a good person from now on. Sorry about the gangs and other things.

Wink
Post 29 Mar 2007, 13:43
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MazeGen



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lol! So you are the top gangster of Slovak's capital, Bratislava?

(vid meant so-called Velvet Revolution)
Post 29 Mar 2007, 14:31
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LocoDelAssembly
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What exactly does "assaulted" mean?

Probably same as "bank assault". In the past the problem was leaving the house alone because someone could force the lock and get in (which happened to us 20 years ago when it was pretty safe playing on the street with friends), but now the problem is living in your own house!! Is less probable that someone will rob your house when it's alone that when you are in there.

About over human rights, here is happening the same, them do all this because even if the police catch them they has great chances of get fried because of things like "since the gun he SHOOT didn't killed anybody then is OK".

About villages do you mean this? Image And there is MUCH worse "villages" but this one has the property to being inside of the capital city. You obviously must not get in there unless you don't bother exit from there only with your underclothes.

I can't put here a list like you because there is very few places where these things doesn't happens (some old small towns far from capital city, etc). Also note that I have to be happy for where I live because there are some places much better than the pic I'm posting where is so insecure that services like ADSL are not provided because companies refuses to send technicians to there (and for obvious reasons).

Well, if some day I dissapear from the forum without previous advice you will know what happened to me Razz

Cheers

PS: BTW, the ratio I said is in process of actualization, the previous rob was to the house next to mine on January.
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sleepsleep
maybe you could demand a police station be built near your location? btw, if it is too insecure there, maybe try find a way and move out to a better and secure place?
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There is one already at 20 blocks but no, I can't demand anyone, the government simple thinks that we are right. There was big manifestations claiming for security, even lots of times bigger than the "anti-manifestations" (arranged by pro-government officials) about this, but the president ignores it.

About moving, my chances are moving to Ushuaia, moving to a less insecure but still insecure province or leaving the country. I'm living in my parents' house for now, when I leave the house I'll consider those alternatives. Something sure is that I'll try to avoid live in Buenos Aires, but I must live from something so it's not that easy of getting out from here and pretend that I'll get a job in another place.
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LocoDelAssembly, how large city do you actually live in? That help us to imagine the situation. (Buenos Aires has more than 12.4 million inhabitants, right?)

[edit]Ushuaia looks really nice![/edit]
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sleepsleep wrote:
maybe you could demand a police station be built near your location? btw, if it is too insecure there, maybe try find a way and move out to a better and secure place?
This does not always help, in UK theres a case that a young man, chased some young people away for throwing stones at his car, he then was attcked with a knife by these young people, police did nothing, this gang kept doing this for months, when he told them off again, they shot him dead and police said sorry Shocked
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6483491.stm
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LocoDelAssembly
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata

But I not live in La Plata city, I live in Gonnet which belongs to the partido of La Plata ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_B._Gonnet )

Here spanish version of my locality http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_B._Gonnet

Since it comes with population info I'll translate it
Quote:
In 2006
According to the National Census of Population of 2001, Manuel B. Gonnet got to that moment 21,416 inhabitants in 23.350 km² (23 km² if you round down, it's not a mistake using a dot instead of a comma). It's a locality of low houses and ample green spaces.


I agree with Dex4u. Besides, we need the police in the streets, not in the police station.

PS: The province has 13,827,203 inhabitants (approximately a third of the population of the whole country).
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Loco: ugh, that picture is TERRIBLE. Do you have some photos how streets look like there?

Just for curiousity, here is what i mean by village (it's the village i live in by the way). You see it's very hilly landscape, with lot of houses spread everywhere. This area / housing style is called "Kopanice".
Image

Here is image of typical small town. There is such town every ~10 km in this area. This one is neighbor town [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brezová_pod_Bradlom]Brezová pod Bradlom[/url].
Image

Here is town my village belongs to (about 4km away). It's called Myjava, and it has about 15K people Smile
Image

Here is another photo, of border part with family houses
Image

you see, our place is pretty calm Smile
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LocoDelAssembly wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata

But I not live in La Plata city, I live in Gonnet which belongs to the partido of La Plata

La Plata is similarly inhabited like the city where I live.

Such an attack you've pictured would be possible only in the wortest (gypsy) districts of the town...
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LocoDelAssembly
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_miseria <- With a high res pic inside. Places like "Kopanice" probably exists on southern provinces where the population density is extremately low.

It's incredible but I can't find good pics on Internet so I'll provide a fotolog instead... http://www.fotolog.com/all_photos.html?user=la_plata_ciudad

http://www.panoramio.com/user/31222 more pics (found throught GoogleEarth).

MazeGen, unfortunatelly here could happen anywhere Sad


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Quote:

If you're planning to visit Argentina try to avoid the province of Buenos Aires, go more to the south which is more secure (and beautiful).
it seems there is a peaceful Antarctida there with just few gangs of scientists Wink
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sleepsleep
vid, i like ur first picture, so calm there Smile
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sleepsleep: thanks... after i had to spend most time on university in city, i just started HATING it there and couldn't wait to return home.

Disadvantage is that everything is 5km away in the town, and there are only cca 5 buses a day (in saturday only 2 and sunday only one). So i often walk by feet to town.
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LocoDelAssembly
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Disadvantage is that everything is 5km away in the town,

Come on, La Plata is also at ~5 Km and buses pass at irregular times where I live, you are paying a very low price to living in there.

shoorick, but I can't go to Marambio base, I must be a scientist or military man first Razz
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Smile
everywhere there are spots of different criminality
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LocoDelAssembly
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Sure, but I'm worried about the kind and ratio of criminality. If Gonnet were like in the 80s this thread would be started by someone else for sure (or never started).
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