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9.9



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9.9
Good day
Help me to find a windows C compiler/linker (not GCC port!) that can compile/link 32-bit raw binary for my OS developing purposes Smile
I ve already try:
*LCC (i've read that it's linker lcclnk can create binary, but i've not fing this kind of stuff Sad)
*MACC/ACC Smile I can't start it in WinXP (error interrupt handling problem)

Thanx
Post 23 Feb 2007, 18:15
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yumka



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hckr83



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pelles C can't do raw binary though can it? plus I read the liscense and it has some very nice, restrictive clauses..

guess you could do VC...

why not a gcc port?
Post 25 Feb 2007, 01:23
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hckr83 wrote:
plus I read the liscense and it has some very nice, restrictive clauses..
why not a gcc port?

+1
coz i know that gcc can do it Smile But i wanna find another 'brilliant thing' Smile
Post 25 Feb 2007, 14:26
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rugxulo



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MACC/ACC (David Ashley)? Run them under DOSBox 0.65. But, yes, there are probably better compilers for what you want. (Sorry, I have no idea, personally. OctaOS uses normal GCC but AS-ELF on the resulting .s for its assembler to read for its OS. )
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Instead of doing raw binary and having all the hassle of finding a compiler that supports this, do yourself a favour and have your kernel in either PE or ELF format and use standard tools. You don't need full PE support (the main kernel isn't likely to have things like imports anyway Wink ), and if you don't even need relocations, you only need something like 9 instructions (including error checks) more to handle a PE kernel than binary kernel.

Code:
        mov             edi, KERNEL_DEST                ; kernel load address

        cmp             word [edi], 0x5A4D              ; Do we have a MZ header?
        jne             crash_and_burn_1

        add             edi, [edi + 0x3C]               ; e_lfanew pointer in MZ header

        cmp             dword [edi], 0x4550             ; Do we have a PE header?
        jne             crash_and_burn_2

        mov             edi, [edi + 0x28]               ; OptionalHeader.AddressOfEntryPoint (RVA)
        add             edi, KERNEL_DEST                ; Add imagebase to go from RVA to VA
        jmp             edi                                             ; enter kernel!
    
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Japheth



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f0dder wrote:
Instead of doing raw binary and having all the hassle of finding a compiler that supports this, do yourself a favour and have your kernel in either PE or ELF format and use standard tools.


I fully agree. Another option is: you can make the linker to merge all your COFF sections and then use a simple tool which extracts the section content to a file. An example of such a tool is attached.

I did exactly this for a program of mine (a PE binary included as BLOB in a DOS MZ binary).


Description:
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Filename: extrsect.zip
Filesize: 8.06 KB
Downloaded: 533 Time(s)

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9.9



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rugxulo, Japheth, f0dder
THANKS 4 ur ideas, i'll really better create my own PE loader :]
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rugxulo



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BTW, is it just me or is everybody and their brother creating their own OS? That would make my head explode if I tried. Shocked

Anyways, good luck! Wink
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Anyways, good luck!



U too Smile
Post 27 Feb 2007, 19:43
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Filter



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rugxulo wrote:
BTW, is it just me or is everybody and their brother creating their own OS? That would make my head explode if I tried. Shocked

Anyways, good luck! Wink


What would be cool is if they combined their efforts and created a single OS that was small, fast and could handle many of the things that larger operating systems like Windows and Linux can.
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Filter wrote:
rugxulo wrote:
BTW, is it just me or is everybody and their brother creating their own OS? That would make my head explode if I tried. Shocked

Anyways, good luck! Wink


What would be cool is if they combined their efforts and created a single OS that was small, fast and could handle many of the things that larger operating systems like Windows and Linux can.


Will never happen, though.

People have different (and conflicting) ideas, and even large efforts like linux and BSD (and heck, to some extent, big commercial things like OS X) have problems with drivers for hardware...

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rugxulo



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No sense in combining anything when virtualization exists. (Heck, Parallels for Mac now claims to be able to seamlessly run Win XP or Vista, including transferring all your stuff b/w 'em.)
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masonswanson



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Yea what everybody should work on together is educating the masses about operating system development, that way everybody could just trade4 code instead of working 40 hours a week for months before they can afford commercial software
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bitshifter



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I have recently tried some OSDev with C myself.
What i found easiest is to make object files (coff in my case)
then let the linker strip and merge them into a flat binary.

Assembler: NASM
C-Compiler: djgpp
Linker: ld
Builder: Make

What i found is that writing an x86 kernel is easyest in ASM.
Then to write the shell and other stuff in C language.

If people are interested, i can provide a simple demo
to show the basics of using these tools on Win32 to get the job done.
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guignol



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bitshifter
I'm sure noone will mind.


P.S. Are you, like, from MIT?
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bitshifter



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guignol wrote:
Are you, like, from MIT?

Nope, never had been educated, only self taught...

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DarkAlchemist



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bitshifter wrote:
guignol wrote:
Are you, like, from MIT?

Nope, never had been educated, only self taught...
Formal education can very often lead to one way thinking and dumbness overall.

So, self taught can be a very good thing.
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