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rugxulo



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Well, I had been meaning to start a thread, just for information's sake, to have people report issues or suggestions about Vista. But, I never got a "round tuit". Laughing

Anyways, here's a few links if anyone is curious (BTW, no, I'm not upgrading, my video card is completely unsupported, even for Home Basic, according to the Upgrade Advisor):

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/default.mspx
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2068721,00.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_vista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx

(Yes, that last link was already given by me, but I think it's better to put all the links together in one post.)
Post 18 Feb 2007, 05:37
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Dex4u



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This is one of the reasons i started making my own OS, my latest project is a web OS, but unlike the web desktops (so called web OS), this a true OS.
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Dex: "web OS" ???
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vid wrote:
Dex: "web OS" ???

http://www.kottke.org/05/08/googleos-webos
DexOS willbe a bootable browser, with it own server and client, for offline use.
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Adam Kachwalla



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Well... It is 2007 already! Remember the peace everyone had when Vista was Codenamed "Longhorn"? It certainly brings back memories! If ASM coding becomes illegal, then I am willing to break the law (and even commit suicide if necessary).
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DustWolf



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Trusted computing? Another name for Microsoft's certification scheeme to take over the universe and make a whole lot of money in the process?

It already applies to windows drivers. So in essence, it's already here.

HyperVista wrote:
Yes, there are many such places and stores, and many on-line stores to buy parts to build your own machine. I build all my own machines from components. But many people here are lazy and just want to go to the store and buy a machine off-the-shelf, or order one pre-made from Gateway.com, Dell.com, etc., just like a washing machine as you say. Very Happy

I have a collegue who complained the other day about not being able to find a computer that didn't have Vista (he shopped all day). I told him to build his own machine. He said it was too much trouble .....


The general idea of capitalism is that if you can find no company doing something you consider to be useful, you can make one yourself and make a living from it.

I wouldn't mind... tho I currently only make computers for people as a hobby. Considering the point that building a machine on your own without deals with the hardware suppliers tends to create a little more expenses by default, it is interesting to see that the computers I built this way were just as expensive as the off-the-shelf ones, but far higher quality. Tho stuff like HP I could do for half the price anyway, those computers are expensive just for the brand name (and sometimes pushing your supplier to get you some HPs with AMD CPUs does shave several % off the price as well).

Just prooves the point that off-the-shelf computers are a complete ripoff, so trouble or not it's just not worth it.

MCD wrote:

as for my part, I have already boycotted entire M$! only got some debian right here.


It's not like anyone here buys microsoft software...

NTOSKRNL_VXE wrote:
I rejected XP when released 5 years ago and did keep my mind about it,
unlike most other people ...
I reject Vista now ... in 5 years I'll be alone with this opinion I guess Sad


Doubtfull. As a lot of people said it, Microsoft just went too far with Vista. I switched from win 98 to XP because my system ran out of them resource token thingies and wouldn't run everything I wanted it to anymore. By the time I get forced out of XP, I'll prolly make my own OS, because Vista is just not my idea of a workstation operating system (as aren't some Linuxes).

Virtrualization has come a long way, it is likely we'll have a few more options now than relying on a single OS. I can see servers here already being built as VMs under Linux, for easier maintenence (a cost-effective solution, believe me), I don't see why the same shouldn't happen with workstations.

Adam Kachwalla wrote:
If ASM coding becomes illegal, then I am willing to break the law (and even commit suicide if necessary).


...I can already see America's new "war on terror". Laughing
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The general idea of capitalism is that if you can find no company doing something you consider to be useful, you can make one yourself and make a living from it.
Unfortunately theory of capitalism doesn't work so well in practice Wink

(that is quote from proffessor teaching economy on slovak economic university, not mine)
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If ASM coding becomes illegal, then I am willing to break the law (and even commit suicide if necessary).


I'd love to see how they prove we used assembly, since all HLL programs get converted to assembly first.

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Doubtfull. As a lot of people said it, Microsoft just went too far with Vista. I switched from win 98 to XP because my system ran out of them resource token thingies and wouldn't run everything I wanted it to anymore. By the time I get forced out of XP, I'll prolly make my own OS, because Vista is just not my idea of a workstation operating system (as aren't some Linuxes).


Of course. What's funny is that people don't notice that the support of HLL languages and the condemning of assembly helps. Trick is, microsoft puts alot of support out there for HLLs, people program entirely in HLLs. Then, they take up lots of space, then comes the ever famous theory below.

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Hardware is so cheap today. People will buy it to run the new version of software. It dosn't matter how good the code is, because people will always buy the hardware to support it.


So, requirements are going up. Right now, 1 gig of RAM sounds like the norm, and games usually require 512 mb of ram to 1 gig. Wait a year or two, then 4 gigs will be the minimum, but people'll want to run their other programs with the games too. Then, they'll need a 64 bit processor (and an OS to go with it) to go over 4 gigs of memory. Anyone else notice this?

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Unfortunately theory of capitalism doesn't work so well in practice


Aye, if some one likes it, the big guys notice and buy you out with a law suit. I'm working on two projects right now, a program to help people learn words more quickly and another instant messenger (which'll have some interesting features, but the non-programmers won't see it as much of an improvement over other instant messengers, but if those making games take notice, it could compete with Xfire). I'm afraid that if i get a patent (even though i'm giving them away for free), i'll put my real name on the project and some one will some how find a way around the laws and turn the patent against me. If i don't patent it, some guy could come along and patent it, even though i made it, then put me out of commission and make people pay for the project and sue me for patent infringement.
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Hm.. Yeah, I think M$ will release this thing. Why?: Because that's the kinda electronics liberty in the US and many people don't care about it. For example: I's going to buy cellphone, but I wanna buy cellphone that's not connected to any network(I want few networks on one cellphone, is this strange?). I went to a store, but they look at my strange way, like I'm asking for something unusual and say that they don't sell cellphone without any network and don't even know who can cell Shocked . OK, I think and went to the second store, every where was the same. And then I got an idea to go to the official site of some company who make cellphones and buy it online. I found site, found phone, that I want to buy and when I press buy button and chose the US, it showed up those freaking networks, I's trying other country's, but this crazy thing is only in the US, I was MED ! You can go to any site, select US and then try to buy cellphone without network, you can see network name even on the pictures Evil or Very Mad

And I'll not say anything about listening telephones and sniffing internet, to prevent terrorism.

Liberty? Confused

Is this kinda liberty in yours countries?

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vid wrote:
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The general idea of capitalism is that if you can find no company doing something you consider to be useful, you can make one yourself and make a living from it.
Unfortunately theory of capitalism doesn't work so well in practice Wink

(that is quote from proffessor teaching economy on slovak economic university, not mine)

That nostalgic commie! Wink

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That nostalgic commie!

Actually he was anti-communist (like most people) during socialism. He laughed at what communists were teaching about free market (that it eventually becomes controlled by few "imperialists"), until the practice after ~1994 showed him that it was truth.
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As always the truth stays inbetween. Here people talk about the bad things of communism but ignore the good things of it, while we have a lot of damage coming from capitalism that we cannot (or don't want) even see. And what about the Church, who so much likes to judge others? For the Church a "black book" is unpractical, there should be a "black enciclopedy".

Since I am convinced that I don't really live in a free country (despite what my politicians pretend me to believe), I think I can have a more balanced view of the two regimes. I think the best governments were e.g. the Swedish ones, where a free market and good personal freedom existed, but there was a truly socialist state as well that didn't abandon its citizens.

It may seem paradoxical, but IMO the cold war was a very good thing for the world after all. There was high technological competition, there was idealism, etc.. and the abundancy of nukes made the world much safer than it is today, because everybody would have lost the war. Now there's only one - arrogant - superpower, whose government brainwashes its citizens and whose industry cannot live without several "small scale" wars at once, and (comprehensibly) other - expecially small - countries who want to rebel this status (e.g. Iran, but also Pakistan, India, etc.. in other ways), possibily REALLY leading to local use of nukes.

Also, I don't think that people in Cuba live with worse standards than e.g. in the nearby (and thus someway equivalent) Haiti, which doesn't even suffer an illegal embargo. Nor I think that Bush is better than a finger of Castro coming out from his nose.

I want the cold war again! Wink

I want a competition for which man reachs Mars first!

But most than all, I want Bush to bomb himself. Very Happy

GO PUTIN GO!! :DDD

He may have all defects and culpages in the world, but at least he really loves his country more than his own pocket. Like Castro, but quite differently than Eltsin and Bush, for example.
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to anymore. By the time I get forced out of XP, I'll prolly make my own OS


You could join an an existing one - maybe DexOS will support all
partitions (not just one), all FAT types (incl. FAT16 and FAT+), and will
be installable on the HD then.

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already see America's new "war on terror".


COOL. I'll be happy to replace Osama Laughing

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I'd love to see how they prove we used assembly, since all HLL programs get converted to assembly first


Nothing is easier than than. Considering all the useless instructions
(MOV EAX,EAX), horribly inefficient design, several 1'000's layers
between the actual code and the hardware, all the garbage that gets
linked in, all typical for H[e]LL's output, the "prove" might be
extrememly easy Laughing

BTW: I still reject Vi$ta, but have a look at almost any freeware
or O.S. project: Vi$ta compatibility has highest priority for everybody now Sad
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He may have all defects and culpages in the world, but at least he really loves his country more than his own pocket. Like Castro, but quite differently than Eltsin and Bush, for example.


You know you fell to propoganda and politics when you actually believe your government cares more about you than yourself. There is not one government that is not out more for themselves than the people they govern. Though, i don't believe Bush's wallet is his motivation.

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You could join an an existing one - maybe DexOS will support all
partitions (not just one), all FAT types (incl. FAT16 and FAT+), and will
be installable on the HD then.


I like menuet a little more than what i've seen so far of dex. Problem with menuet is that they dropped their 32 bit project.

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Nothing is easier than than. Considering all the useless instructions
(MOV EAX,EAX), horribly inefficient design, several 1'000's layers
between the actual code and the hardware, all the garbage that gets
linked in, all typical for H[e]LL's output, the "prove" might be
extrememly easy


Oh yea, and i forgot. Non-dynamic linking. Personally, i don't see the point in linking things like printf, since they're part of the OS, anyway, and all you do is take up space. What ever happened to true dynamic linking?

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BTW: I still reject Vi$ta, but have a look at almost any freeware
or O.S. project: Vi$ta compatibility has highest priority for everybody now


Aye. That's the problem. Then you'll need vista to use your new ipods and things. Sounds to me like it's about time we try to work on DexOS and/or MENUET faster and start to advertise that enough that people start to use it. If enough people switch to it to revolt against vista, both hardware companies and microsoft will get the point. Especially if i get K.I.M. to work. If that works, gets popular, i'll make a menuet and dex version, so people won't mind as much about switching to them if they switch entirely to K.I.M.
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NTOSKRNL_VXE wrote:
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to anymore. By the time I get forced out of XP, I'll prolly make my own OS


You could join an an existing one - maybe DexOS will support all
partitions (not just one), all FAT types (incl. FAT16 and FAT+), and will
be installable on the HD then.


Well, truth be told, I'm a simplistic guy. If I was ever onto using a special OS, I wouldn't give a D about inner-gut compatibility. I'd make it quick, simple, crude and efficient. The point of an OS is after all to be an interface between a persons wishes and machine code. The rest is irrelevant.

I appreciate the effort being put into DexOS, Menuet and whatnot, but it is my style to ignore all enstablished concepts and find my own way. I like fancy stuff tho. Synthesis was on OS idea I'd like to continue (the name is from the fact that it dynamically combines program code with kernel code, synthesizing actual runtime code on the fly instead of loading and linking it).

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BTW: I still reject Vi$ta, but have a look at almost any freeware
or O.S. project: Vi$ta compatibility has highest priority for everybody now Sad


Obviously, because everything else is already compatible.

But well "Vista compatible" is just a sticker anyway. My computer has one on all of it's key components and I assure you, if this is to be called Vista compatible then my old 60 MHz 486 is Windows XP compatible (e.g.: 5 fps).
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