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Maverick



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f0dder wrote:
Ask yourself, which is most sincere/true/whatever? Being kind and helpful to others because you feel like it, or because it's written in some stupid old book?

If I help an old lady, give a poor homeless guy some cash, or lock an unlocked bike... I don't do this because I think it'll get me a higher chance of going to heaven, since I don't belive in that crap. I gain absolutely nothing from it.

Don't try to fool us, f0dder.. we aren't little kids. You do indeed want SOMETHING from that old, sexy, experienced lady... *wink* =)
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tom tobias wrote:
KongZi wrote:
San ren xing, Bi you wo shi


@tom: You're definitely one of the "shi" (masters / teachers / wise men). Smile

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  • "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge." (Proverbs 1:7)
  • "If you desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the LORD will bestow her upon you" (Sirach 1:23)


(BTW, that doesn't mean literal fear/timidity: love pushes away fear, but "fear of the Lord" means religion.)

tom tobias wrote:

if I have understood you correctly, her pregnancy could not have occured in the customary fashion, because the customary fashion, IS SINFUL.


No no no. Sex in marriage is not inherently sinful. (However, see commandments 6 and 9 for a few guidelines.) To be close to God requires holiness. The closer you are, the purer you must be. Face it, nobody but Mary had the body of Christ so close, and since God naturally abhors/opposes sin, He obviously decided to create her clean (as He is able, since life all comes from Him, and original sin is, for the rest of us, wiped away upon Baptism by God Himself). Original sin is our legacy from Adam and Eve (see Genesis). St. Mary (aka, Blessed Virgin) was the exception. She never surrendered her virginity. Her faithful spouse, St. Joseph (from the house of David), was only a legal guardian/father figure to Jesus, not the typical husband in any sense. Both knew the true paternity of Jesus as from God in heaven (see the Annunciation in Luke 1).

tom tobias wrote:

In fact, isn't it the case, that NONE of the dead sea scrolls mention ANYTHING at all about Jesus? Isn't that interesting???


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm

P.S. Immanuel (or Emmanuel) means "With us is God"

Column VI Isa 6:7 to 7:15 wrote:

"29.[{Behold}] the virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and he shall call his name Immanuel."


Column XLIV Isaiah 52:13 to 54:4 wrote:

"(3) He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows and knowing grief
8. and as though hiding faces from him he was despised and we did not esteem him."
(5) and he is wounded for our transgressions, and crushed for our iniquities, the correction
11. of our peace was upon him and by his wounds he has healed us. (6) All of us like sheep have wandered each man to his own way
12. we have turned and YHWH has caused to light on him the iniquity of all of us (7) He was oppressed and he was afflicted and he did not
13. open his mouth, as a lamb to the slaughter he is brought and as a ewe before her shearers is made dumb he did not open
14. his mouth. (8) From prison and from judgement he was taken and his generation who shall discuss it because he was cut off from the land of
15. the living. Because from the transgressions of his people a wound was to him (PP)"


P.S. If you prefer old texts, check out the Vulgate article at Wikipedia (for the traditional Latin Scriptures themselves, see the Nova Vulgata)

f0dder wrote:

rugxulo wrote:

If someone doesn't believe in God, then nothing matters: death, murder, sin, arguing? Nothing, it's all for nothing.


I matter, the ones I love matter, and our wellbeing matters. Claiming that ignorants don't care about anything is plain elitist ignorance - or perhaps just stupidity.


No, all I'm saying is that if certain actions have no consequences and if God did not give us a moral code to follow, then no code of conduct can be reasonably considered correct, and life would be useless. However, it is impossible to deny God all the time. Sometimes it seems obvious to human eyes that He is not there, but that is fallacy, blindness. "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good." (Proverbs 15:3). "Be not impatient in prayers" (Sirach 7:10).

f0dder wrote:

Even my "I'll do whatever I effing please" (which could be considered a form of Satanism) doesn't stop me from having a degree of respect for other people and their wellbeing. Of course my wellbeing is ultimately more important than anyone else's, but it'd have to come to extremes before that'd affect somebody else; basically, if it's my life or yours, it'll have to be mine.


Satanism is knowingly worshiping a permanent enemy of God despite knowing that God is supremely good above all else (and devils are not). No human being is inherently evil EVER. Not you or me or even Satan worshipers. God created each of us, and thus we are not purely evil (though we don't equal Him in goodness, either). Nobody said you were devoid of any grace/clue from God. Some things are obvious even to the physical blind (see Bartimaeus in Mark 10).

f0dder wrote:

Ask yourself, which is most sincere/true/whatever? Being kind and helpful to others because you feel like it, or because it's written in some stupid old book?


Feelings come and go. In particular, lots of times I will NOT feel like being "patient and kind", but the truth of God compels me to do so anyways.

f0dder wrote:

If I help an old lady, give a poor homeless guy some cash, or lock an unlocked bike... I don't do this because I think it'll get me a higher chance of going to heaven, since I don't belive in that crap. I gain absolutely nothing from it.


You can certainly do whatever you think is objectively good, even if you don't acknowledge God (for whatever reason: immaturity, lack of education, etc.). But, if God exists and is the supreme good, then His behavior/model of conduct would trump anyone else's idea.

You cannot buy your way into heaven with money, works, etc. although good works are indeed expected of us, if we are able, in lieu of bad works. The deathbed conversion of someone is not to be ignored. They go to the same heaven (defined as God's kingdom, constantly in His presence) as others who do more good works, assuming they are sincere. (See Matthew 20 for a perfect explanation of this.)

We will always be technically unworthy of God's goodness, and especially a permanent dwelling with Him after death. It is His gift to us, assuming we don't permanently and constantly reject Him (i.e., offend Him and his people on Earth) once we learn the truth.

Maverick wrote:

Look, if I love someone, it's because IT IS IN MY NATURE, not because I read it in a book (Bible or what else) and I try to violent my otherwise different nature (it never works, look how many Christians do sin!). An Atheist can be and act more closely to Jesus than a fanatic, any fanatic, so-called Christian. This simply because he's just himself, and this may mean good things or bad things (although "good" and "bad" are concepts which are neither absolute nor objective, of course).


All good comes from God. Without God's help, nobody can do anything (John 15). Morality depends upon the object, the intent, and the circumstances. Bad intentions render as void any external appearance of good. Good intentions are not discarded because of a lack of external show. In fact, the hypocrisy warned about in the Gospels is that of merely showing external good in order to win human praise instead of pleasing God. However, only God can judge whether someone is sinning or not. We cannot see inside someone's heart to judge their intentions, etc. So, we are told not to judge (see Matthew 7) else we'll be judged just as harshly as we judge others (see Matthew 25).

Maverick wrote:

If the Pope directly represents Jesus, can you tell me why the hell he is full of gold and gems? What does it share with Jesus??? Is it necessary, when he has to write something on paper, that the pen must be of full, massive gold?


Are gold or gems sinfully in themselves? (No.) What part of you does it offend? ("Charity"?) Should the money go to the poor? (Ever heard of tithing? The pope has.) Plenty of people have physical riches in this world, and they are not to be despised for having it (it is a sin to despise anyone). Don't point the finger, but go instead and give alms to the poor with your own money (assuming that's your intent).

MichaelH wrote:

So, you like disrespecting others, guess you won't mind if everyone here is disrespectful to you from now on then since you're a christian and follow the bible teachings, you must like people being disrespectful to you.


Luke 6 wrote:

Do to others as you would have them do to you. For if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same. If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit (is) that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, and get back the same amount. But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as (also) your Father is merciful. Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.


Romans 12 (aka, St. Paul) wrote:

Bless those who persecute (you), bless and do not curse them.
Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.
Have the same regard for one another; do not be haughty but associate with the lowly; do not be wise in your own estimation. Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is noble in the sight of all. If possible, on your part, live at peace with all. Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." Rather, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good.


1 Corinthians 13 (aka, St. Paul, again) wrote:

If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated, it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury, it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
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rugxulo wrote:

Satanism is knowingly worshiping a permanent enemy of God despite knowing that God is supremely good above all else (and devils are not). No human being is inherently evil EVER. Not you or me or even Satan worshipers. God created each of us, and thus we are not purely evil (though we don't equal Him in goodness, either). Nobody said you were devoid of any grace/clue from God. Some things are obvious even to the physical blind (see Bartimaeus in Mark 10).

Ignorant Smile

Satanism has nothing to do with worshipping the biblical satan.

rugxulo wrote:

You can certainly do whatever you think is objectively good, even if you don't acknowledge God (for whatever reason: immaturity, lack of education, etc.).

How patronizing.

Seek help, man.
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f0dder wrote:

Satanism has nothing to do with worshipping the biblical satan.


So what does this "satanism" does ?
According to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism:
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Much "Satanic" lore does not originate from actual Satanists, but from Christians. Best-known would be the medieval folklore and theology surrounding demons and witches. A more recent example is the so-called Satanic ritual abuse scare of the 1980's— beginning with the memoir Michelle Remembers--which depicts Satanism as a vast conspiracy of elites with a predilection for child-molesting and human sacrifice. This genre regularly describes Satan as actually appearing in person in order to receive worship.

Another prominent source of "Satanic" imagery is black metal or heavy metal music, which has given Satanism the "Hail Satan!" hand-sign. A few rock stars such as Marilyn Manson (alternative rock, industrial artist) appear to actually be bona fide Satanists; many others merely adopt a Satanic persona for the sake of romanticism.

Vandalism, cruelty to animals, or grave desecration are advanced by some as examples of Satanic crimes. While some high-profile cases of murder or serial murder have been found to have Satanic themes (e.g. the Manson Family), these appear to be primarily the work of disturbed individuals, or of several acting together, rather than of organized religious groups.


That's all I know
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the people who claim to be satanists, take it pretty differently. For them it's not about god, satan etc. It's about doing things because of themselves, or something like that. My english is not good enough to explain it.

But it is certainly not like christian church-brewed grandmas think it is. It is a quite a good philosophy, that has actually nothing to do with satan. I keep wondering where it took it's name.
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vid wrote:
the people who claim to be satanists, take it pretty differently. For them it's not about god, satan etc. It's about doing things because of themselves, or something like that


Sounds pretty cool ...
BTW, if I'm not mistaken, Anton Szandor LaVey said something similiar.
Haven't read his books though Cool
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BTW: there's a lot of literature also about Santa Claus.
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SATAN CLAWS!!!111! one one one
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rugxulo wrote:
  • "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge." (Proverbs 1:7)
  • "If you desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the LORD will bestow her upon you" (Sirach 1:23)
Do not quote the porno bible, intelligent people do not fall for it. Kookoos who have no realization or experience of their own must quote ancient fairytales as their source of authority. The porno bible is only evidence that bronze age tribesmen had fantastic imaginations and overactive libidos. The bible is no moral or religious authority, it is just the handywork of ancient men. The fairytales of the gods in the porno bible are no more creditable than the fairytales in the ancient writings of any other group, Zeus is a fairytale, RA is a fairytale, the easter bunny is a fairytale and Jehovah is a fairytale. Do not live your life according to the colorful cliches in ancient pornography. The bible is no religious or moral authority. It is only your authority because you give it power over you and because you have no realization or experience of your own. It is clear you have no realization, experience or authority of your own because you've failed to back up your belief with any evidence and you’ve failed to address the evidence that I've given disproving your jesus cult.
rugxulo wrote:

"29.[{Behold}] the virgin shall conceive and bring forth a son and he shall call his name Immanuel."
Here is more evidence that either A) Jesus was not the messiah or B) prophecy of the messiah in the bible is wrong. Take your pick. Among getting the name wrong, there were several things the messiah was supposed to accomplish which jesus failed to do. Either jesus was no the messiah or the prophecy concerning the messiah was wrong (meaning a good portion of your porno bible is wrong). The orthodox messiah was supposed to reunite the jewish people, rebuild the sacred temple and bring peace on earth among other things. Jesus didn’t even get the name right, his name was 'jesus' not 'immanuel'. True the jewish people have a state again, it only took 2,000 years after jesus died, but there is still no temple and there is still no peace on earth.
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Matthew 10:34 -- jesus said, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword"
I suppose in another 2,000 years somebody may build a church up there in jewtown and that will be enough for some kookoos to say 'See! jesus is alive!' Laughing The traditional messiah was supposed to live like a king and rule the jewish people, yet orthodox jews say he was not the messiah (for a few reasons that I've outlined here). Either A) jesus was not the messiah or B) prophecy concerning the messiah was wrong.
rugxulo wrote:
No, all I'm saying is that if certain actions have no consequences and if God did not give us a moral code to follow, then no code of conduct can be reasonably considered correct, and life would be useless.
This is got to be one of the stupidest things I've heard in days. You make plenty of claims like this but fail to back them up with any evidence, just your programming and cliches. Cliches may sound cute and be pleasing to your notion of the world, but they have no authority without substantial evidence, logic or common sense to back them up.
You should read through all the following debates on same until you're able to have a conversation on the matter.http://infidels.org/library/modern/debates/ Michael Martin, Tyler Wunder and others have destroyed all such nonsense with an elegance that I choose not to extend to kookoos in denial.
rugxulo wrote:
Satanism is knowingly worshiping a permanent enemy of God despite knowing that God is supremely good above all else (and devils are not).
Others have corrected you on this as well, I've known several Satanists and it has nothing to do with Satan, they don't even believe in god or Satan. They believe in doing whatever they want. Their epistemology is logically consistent and is therefore a proper philosophy (not illogical ideology like Christianity).
rugxulo wrote:
No human being is inherently evil EVER.
More of your fantasy belief which is inconsistent with the bible and Christian ideology.
Quote:
psalm 51:5 - "for I was born a sinner - yes, from the moment my mother conceived me."
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Romans 3:23 - "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
This is why jesus cults cannot be trusted just like you cannot truth the cults of ancient Egypt, ancient Greek,Mayans or any such faith and belief system for which there is zero evidence.
rugxulo wrote:
Are gold or gems sinfully in themselves?
This is one example of why there are no real christians today. Jesus was anti-money.
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matthew 19:21--"Jesus said, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."
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mark 10:24-25 -- "how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
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in mark 12:17 jesus was looking at a penny with Cesar’s face stamped on the front said "Give the emperor what belongs to the emperor, and give God what belongs to God."
Why then does the Nazi pope and the followers of the crackpot christ have so much material possessions? Jesus’ only recorded act of aggression was against the money changers in the church, now the catholic church hoards all that money. There’s no such thing as a Christian today, just members of cults about jesus.
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luke 14:26 -- jesus said "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters...cannot be my disciple"
Do you hate your parents or love them? To be a christian (according to jesus) you must break the commandments of moses and hate your parents. Either you A) hate your parents and maybe a christan, B) do not hate your parents and are not a christian or C) Do not hate your parents and do not follow jesus' teaching, yet claim to be a christian. Which are you? Of course any REAL christian would be out murdering muslims by the millions
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luke 19:27 -- jesus said, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slaughter them before me"
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Why anybody would call themselves a Satanist is beyond me. "satan" (Hebrew) literally means "enemy". What is so noble about being someone's enemy? If you want to do whatever, don't call yourself anything. "I'm a Stupidist, but I'm not stupid!" At the very least, calling yourself that won't win you many friends. Don't be naive. (see definitions of satanism and satan at Merriam Webster's website)

(And no, the Bible never says anyone is evil. That's wrong because we are made in God's image. Sin is an action, not a person. Therefore, a person who sins is not evil, but their sinful actions are. Original sin is a consequence of Adam and Eve's error, a fallen state where ignorance and selfishness are the norm, not an innate evilness.)

f0dder, if my giving you the benefit of the doubt is patronizing, too bad. Seek help for what? Do you not know that "God helps"? Read the Psalms, any of 'em. There are 150, and they are full of testimony towards God's literal help towards his people.

tantrikwizard, this discussion with you is pointless as you are very biased against Christianity. You are a bit blinded by emotion (calling people nazis, crazy, juvenile, kookoos, delusional schizophrenics, etc. is not what I'd call open minded).

Here's a quick rebuttal to your misquoting the Bible (for others' benefits, in case they are on the fence):

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Among getting the name wrong, there were several things the messiah was supposed to accomplish which jesus failed to do.


You misunderstood the prophecy (as did many). BTW, I mentioned that "Immanuel" means "With us is God" (aka, Jesus the Messiah foretold, obviously the Suffering Servant, born to a virgin, is God in human form).

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You should read through all the following debates on same until you're able to have a conversation on the matter.http://infidels.org/library/modern/debates/ Michael Martin, Tyler Wunder and others have destroyed all such nonsense with an elegance that I choose not to extend to kookoos in denial.


You should read the entire Bible (which is quite huge), not one verse here and there. If you tried to look at it honestly, you would maybe understand that it is not as simple as saying, "Ooh, that makes no sense! He's a liar!" Your knowledge of the Bible and Christianity is not as all-encompassing as you pretend.

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Why then does the Nazi pope and the followers of the crackpot christ have so much material possessions? now the catholic church hoards all that money.


Have you given away all your possessions? No. You know why? Because having stuff is not inherently evil. It's easy to call others greedy when no one knows your personal wealth. Jesus did not demand we all gave up everything to become dirt poor. Again, I say, do you know what tithing is? The pope definitely tithes part of his money back to the Church and the poor. That is all that is normally required (excepting certain situations).

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Jesus’ only recorded act of aggression was against the money changers in the church


Jesus was removing a corrupting, non-religious influence from the temple. Sin makes God angry. What do you expect if you consciously do wrong and offend Him? He is equally merciful, but abhors pride, stubbornness, and anything that hurts his people. BTW, God can also remove corruption from our own bodies (which are temples of the Holy Spirit, the Father of Life).

Mark 10:24-5 wrote:

"How hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!


Riches cannot buy happiness. This also applies to bribes and arrogance in thinking that you can buy your way into anything and make others do whatever you want with your power/money. Some things cannot be bought with money (especially salvation). In this regard, money must be regarded as unnecessary/useless.

Matthew 6:19 wrote:

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and decay destroy, and thieves break in and steal. But store up treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor decay destroys, nor thieves break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there also will your heart be. The lamp of the body is the eye. If your eye is sound, your whole body will be filled with light; but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be in darkness. And if the light in you is darkness, how great will the darkness be. No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.


Do not spend your entire life only seeking to increase your wealth. Money and riches all fade, and they are not eternal. Seek God's will for your life (and beyond). No one can steal that. No one can break that. Naked you were born, and naked shall you die. "Naked I came forth from my mother's womb, and naked shall I go back again. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD!" (Job 1:21)

If you read the Catholic Bible, you would have seen the commentary:
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Hating his father . . . : cf the similar saying in Matthew 10:37. The disciple's family must take second place to the absolute dedication involved in following Jesus (see also Luke 9:59-62).


In case you don't click those links, I'll partially quote it here:
Jesus wrote:

Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;


Luke 19:27 wrote:

Jesus said, "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slaughter them before me."


This is very obviously a parable (it even says so), and has deeper meaning than its surface. Please be aware that God does not kill anyone. But, if God is the source of life, He certainly doesn't have to continually support (i.e., give life) to His enemies, does He? That would not be wise. For another variation (that says "throw this useless servant into the darkness" instead), see Matthew 25.

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If you are wise, my son, you will gladden my heart, and I will be able to rebut him who taunts me. (Proverbs 27:11)
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As usual, religious related threads always raise debates
BTW, religious & political threads are disallowed in the MASM Forum though. It said : "To avoid World War III we don't allow religious or political matter in here"
Err wait, the FASM forum aint no MASM forum Cool
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TmX wrote:
As usual, religious related threads always raise debates
Err wait, the FASM forum aint no MASM forum Cool

And thanks GOD Twisted Evil for that Wink

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Can a perfect entity contraddict himself? Or maybe the Bible is not the book of God, but rather of some stupid humans?

While we're at it, please read the attached "101 contraddictions in the Bible".

Do not have blind faith, use your brain, it is a gift from God, it is there to be used after all! Very Happy



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Maverick wrote:

Or maybe the Bible is not the book of God, but rather of some stupid humans?
While we're at it, please read the attached "101 contraddictions in the Bible".

Do not have blind faith, use your brain, it is a gift from God, it is there to be used after all! Very Happy



AFAIK, God Himself doesn't write any book.
I don't believe that those holy books (Bible,Quran,etc) come from God.
I mean, these books came from the heaven to the earth, using some kind of what ... probably parachutes ?

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Naw, they came from burning bushes and the like... these days when people talk about talking, burning bushes, we tend to strap them down, give them a shot of Thorazine, and let the LSD wear off.
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Moses and the burning bush is a real giggle but not as weird as Abraham ( prophet of God ) having insane thoughts of burning his son Isaac as a sacrifice to show God his faith. Today such thoughts would see you in a nut house but Abraham is still considered to be a great prophet. Religious people are just totally insane!!!!
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tantrikwizard



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Maverick wrote:
While we're at it, please read the attached "101 contraddictions in the Bible".


Only 101? I've seen some documents pointing out no less than 2,000 contradictions in the bible.
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MichaelH wrote:
Religious people are just totally insane!!!!


If youre interested in authentic christianity check out http://landoverbaptist.org/ for some good laughs.
Here's some links to debates, books and publications by philosopher and athiest Dr. Michael Martin undeniably disproving christianity (or any other such faith system). http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/michael_martin/ He's an elegant writer and very logical. Guys like him have made the god debate a thing of the dark ages.[/url]
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man... i was reading something of bible, and that is MOST PERVERTED story i have ever read (Stephen King and Peter Jackson scripts included).

Specifically, part about Sodoma and Lot. Two angels come to visit him, but local men and boys "like them", and ask Lot to let them out. He offers them to do whatever they want to his two virgin daughters instead, but they refuse. Angels then tell Lot he and his family is only one "just and righteous" in town, and save him from destruction. Later his two daughters get him drunk and have children with him.

eeegh, and they give this to children to read ?!?
Post 29 Jan 2007, 20:24
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