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WytRaven



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sleepsleep wrote:
i think we need a visual FASM (like vb) except it generated full nice complete asm source code. hopefully one would did it soon for me.... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


It already exists mate, it's called PureBasic, a basic dialect built around fasm (including inline fasm).

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okie. thanks
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WytRaven wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
i think we need a visual FASM (like vb) except it generated full nice complete asm source code. hopefully one would did it soon for me.... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


It already exists mate, it's called PureBasic, a basic dialect built around fasm (including inline fasm).


Do you own/use it? It sounds pretty nice. Of course, if you happen to have an Amiga (ahem, not me), it's even better. Very Happy

EDIT: kohlrak, the PS1 lasted about 10 years (according to Sony), and they claim they'll support the PS2 for that long as well (more than half way there, anyways). Yeah, it sounds ridiculous, but the Atari 2600 lasted (commercially) well over 10 years, and obviously, you can use any console until it breaks! Laughing
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madmatt



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Without the US the world would have self destructed long ago, Remember the last two world wars!!? All of that BS started in europe!!! And Vid, maybe you'd rather be ruled by the Nazi's where anything NOT blue-eyed and blond haired gets thrown into the fires!! Or Hell, maybe ruled by Russia, just looks whats going on in Chechnya, how would you like that on your doorstep? I admit this war in Iraq is one of our darker moments in history. But I'm tired of everyone beating up on the US!!, especially from countries that done little more that war with each other for centuries, if not millenium, and then the US has to come in and clean up the mess!!! That includes the Asian nations as well!!
SO SHUT THE F**K UP, YOU GOOSE STEPPING SH*T HEADS, YOUR THE LAST PEOPLE TO BE TELLING THE U.S. WHAT WRONG AND WHATS RIGHT!!!!!
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SO SHUT THE F**K UP, YOU GOOSE STEPPING SH*T HEADS, YOUR THE LAST PEOPLE TO BE TELLING THE U.S. WHAT WRONG AND WHATS RIGHT!!!!!


Well, the time has come to LOCK or erradicate this thread,
the FASM forum is being infected by Bush's absurd imperialistic war against
an imaginary "enemy" Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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Post 25 Dec 2006, 04:59
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especially from countries that done little more that war with each other for centuries, if not millenium
Ahem... remind me last time Slovakia attacked anyone. In fact, slovakia WAS ruled by habsburg monarchy for over millenium, and then it became free after WW1 (check the fighting sides - haven't seen US there)

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US has to come in and clean up the mess
US didn't interfere in WW1. Then, in WW2 it didn't take care about rules limiting germans which were set after WW1, together with most big countries. This allowed WW2 to happen at all. And it started to care only after they got attacked. Also note that it was Red Army who destroyed hitler, even though England and US helped greatly. During the Day-D, the war was already lost for Nazis.

And please calm down. We all here should be smart people, respecting different opinions. I could be speaking about years genocide of natives aswell.
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tom tobias



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vid wrote:

I could be speaking about years genocide of natives aswell
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/manual/2005-2006/2005-MM-0003-0019-Chron.pdf
michigan legislature wrote:
1819:
With the Treaty of Saginaw, Governor Cass obtains for the United States about 6,000,000 acres of Michigan land, marking the beginning of the Indian exodus from the territory.

Not too many Algonquin speaking folks lived in Michigan when I was in school there, half a century ago, i.e. one hundred forty years after Cass' treaty. In fact, I never met even ONE person from the three tribes who negotiated that treaty with Cass: Pottawatomi, Ottawa (Pontiac, historic chief), Ojibwa. Ethnic cleansing anyone? "PURITY", Holocaust??? How about TOTAL annihilation?
http://www.rougeriver.com/geninfo/overview.html
Matt: next time you drive your "Pontiac" automobile over the River Rouge, ask yourself, WHY is it called "rouge"? The murder of innocents in Iraq represents a continuity of the same policy followed by generations of Europeans, since at least, Columbus--maybe earlier, if one accepts, as I do, the hypothesis that European mitochondrial DNA is found in 10,000 year old skeletal remains in North America. Now that represents PURE BASIC.
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Post 25 Dec 2006, 14:03
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Without the US the world would have self destructed long ago


Yes, I saw film "Armageddon" with Bruce Willis Wink

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especially from countries that done little more that war with each other for centuries, if not millenium, and then the US has to come in and clean up the mess!!! That includes the Asian nations as well!!


We're all living in Amerika
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We're all living in Amerika
Amerika, Amerika....
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And if it is serious, on mine this forum is devoted to programming on the assembler, instead of to discussion of policy and digging in dirty cowards each other.
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madmatt



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Everyones blasting the US for going into Iraq, and not a peep about Russia going into Afghanistan for 8 years and wiping out almost a whole afgani generation!, and what was the reason for going into this country 1000 times less powerful than you? My outburst was not that the US was guiltless in this current period (even though THEY attacked US!), but that other countries have made even much worse deadly blunders than the US could have done even now. Well anyways, my main point is: My country is not perfect, but sure as hell neither are any of yours. And, Vid, The US WAS involved in world war I.
Well, I'm through with this thread??? On to other subjects.
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madmatt wrote:
...(even though THEY attacked US!),...

Matt, even though I am proud to acknowledge your fervent patriotism, and wish that I possessed even one tenth of your enthusiasm for the government of the USA, still, I must protest that your assertion above is inaccurate, and frankly, UNTRUE. No one from Iraq had anything to do with attacking any part of USA or its many possessions global wide. In fact, the opposite is true. For DECADES, the corrupt and brutal regime of S.Hussein FOLLOWED orders from the CIA, using poison nerve gas and millions of dollars of USA taxpayers' money on weapons, horrific weapons, used PRIMARILY against the people of Iran, and also against anyone in Iraq who opposed him. Where was the protest against him in the 1980's? Why was no one outraged by his CIA antics at the time of these brutal murders, assassinations, and executions, PRIOR to the USA invasion? No one in the west cared how many Iranians or fellow Iraquis he killed, UNTIL AFTER 9/11, when a perfect occasion arose to grab Iraq's oil, justifying the invasion on the basis of CIA financed terror committed by S. Hussein. There is no link between the terrorism of 9/11 AGAINST USA, planned, and executed, brilliantly, by O.Bin Laden, WHO HATED, and in turn, WAS HATED BY, S. Hussein. If you have an interest in this topic, I suggest googling BAATHIST party, and ISLAM. You will find that the two are overtly hostile, just as, in Palestine, the Fatah movement is hated by, and hates in return, the Islamic Fundamentalists, who seek to take power to rule Palestine in accord with principles of fundamental Islam, contrary to Fatah, or (in Iraq, the Baathists), which look to 19th century European Socialist thinkers for inspiration.
Matt, your excellent skills rest with assembly language, not history. I wish I could write the same about myself.
cheers.
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WytRaven



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tom tobias wrote:
...I must protest that your assertion above is inaccurate, and frankly, UNTRUE. No one from Iraq had anything to do with attacking any part of USA or its many possessions global wide. In fact, the opposite is true. For DECADES, the corrupt and brutal regime of S.Hussein FOLLOWED orders from the CIA, using poison nerve gas and millions of dollars of USA taxpayers' money on weapons, horrific weapons, used PRIMARILY against the people of Iran, and also against anyone in Iraq who opposed him. Where was the protest against him in the 1980's? Why was no one outraged by his CIA antics at the time of these brutal murders, assassinations, and executions, PRIOR to the USA invasion? No one in the west cared how many Iranians or fellow Iraquis he killed, UNTIL AFTER 9/11, when a perfect occasion arose to grab Iraq's oil, justifying the invasion on the basis of CIA financed terror committed by S. Hussein. There is no link between the terrorism of 9/11 AGAINST USA, planned, and executed, brilliantly, by O.Bin Laden, WHO HATED, and in turn, WAS HATED BY, S. Hussein. If you have an interest in this topic, I suggest googling BAATHIST party, and ISLAM. You will find that the two are overtly hostile, just as, in Palestine, the Fatah movement is hated by, and hates in return, the Islamic Fundamentalists, who seek to take power to rule Palestine in accord with principles of fundamental Islam, contrary to Fatah, or (in Iraq, the Baathists), which look to 19th century European Socialist thinkers for inspiration...


Well I'm glad we've found something to agree on tom Wink

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My whole point was that everyone on this post seems to be taking great joy in blaming the U.S. for all the world's problems, when MANY other countries have just as much equal blame. Didn't the Ireqi's want Saddam Hussein out of there lives? Well he's out now, whether you think this war is right or wrong, The Iraqies had a choice, they could have worked together to help rebuild there country, instead, they went into there old tribal hatreds, and now have started blowing each other up wholesale, and threaten to take more of the Middle-east with them. I know CIA's history, and what Tom speaks of, no worse than what the KGB does around the world, Unfortunately, we will probably only here a small fraction of how the KGB have minipulated and screwed things up in other coutries as well. Well, this will be my last post on this topicl, better quit before I get kicked off, if I'm not already. Smile
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Well, the time has come to LOCK or erradicate this thread,
This was probably for me, as moderator.

As I also took part (well... started Wink ) this flamescussion, i don't feel like proper person to shut it.

Also, such discussion about history were always very educative to me, and helped me to widen my range of knowledge. I hope people are here are smart enough to learn from other's opinions, instead of falling into hatred
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madmatt wrote:
everyone on this post seems to be taking great joy in blaming the U.S. for all the world's problems,
Matt, obviously I cannot speak for WytRaven or Martin, but, I doubt that anyone on the FASM forum derives any kind of pleasure, attacking the misguided, dishonest, and corrupt policies of the USA government. I would venture to say that we all, on the contrary would much rather be debating the merits of employing Boolean operators only for Boolan functions, (instead of incorrectly, to merely clear a register,) but we cannot agree to distort or diminish the blame attributed to USA government in attacking an INNOCENT, sovereign nation, by proposing, absurdly, that Iraq played some kind of role in 9/11.
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...such discussion about history were always very educative to me, and helped me to widen my range of knowledge.

Well written, and it should also be noted that EACH of us learns from one another. Matt's anger is understandable, and his thinking probably represents that of a clear majority of USA citizens, i.e. MAINSTREAM, whereas, my own thinking, that the USA is the villain in this conflict with Iraq, is about as popular in USA, as my notion on this FASM forum, regarding the restriction of Boolean instructions to genuine Boolean operations. Curiously, Matt's anger with my antipatriotic stance coincides with WytRaven's irritation by my (antiFASM) insistance on clearing registers the "proper way", i.e. mov eax, zero. Isn't it interesting that we can become ANGERED so easily, just by expressing some ideas which are different from the commonly accepted point of view? Galileo, St. Joan, and Rosa Luxemburg to mention only three of my heroes, paid a very heavy price for offering ideas which ran counter to the prevailing mainstream of thought. I would conclude by asking what is the origin of this term, "boxing day"? I guess, but I don't know, that maybe sports betting was disallowed for observance in "Christian" countries, (as opposed to countries following Jesus' doctrines of expressing kindness to one another, and "turning the other cheek" to receive physical abuse, rather than intentionally harming another person) of Christmas, so that the day after Christmas, betting was reopened??? Confused
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Ugh politics..

I feel obliged to express my simple oppinion in regards to USA, wars and Europe (and I think this applies to others as well). The big problem with USA and wars is that the USA never actually fought a real, out of control, decimating war on their own territory.

Down here in Europe, after WW2 and all, everybody knew very well that wars aint fun and even if you have some higher cause to fight a war for, you may loose, and if you loose, you're just gone that's it. Made people really think trice about it.

Americans only ever saw a bloody conflict taking over their country and bringing it to it's knees in movies, where they always win in the end anyway. I doubt that they can really imaggine what war is like where everything.. yes everything not just a harbor and two tall buildings is a smoking ruin and you are forced to fight for something where you know you probably can't win and many people are very really dead. Europe on the other hand knows that and is capable of putting the 2 and 2 togather to determine wars are bad. People in Russia, I'd bet realize it d**n well (they finnished WW2 IMHO, at the cost of a fair share of their population as well), while USA on the other hand never even really cared to finnish the cold war (just take a glance at their fiction, most of their heroes are still chasing commies who are the supposed source of all the evil in this world).

And really.. America's number 1 danger in the world.. terrorists. I think that is absurd. From my perspective there is one country in this world who will never give up a single rocket of it's nuclear arsenal, there is one country that wouldn't have anything against wiping out a random country to suit their interests and there is one country in this world who considers itself absolutely above law or justice of any kind and that country is America. So if you ask me who is a bigger threat to us in this world, it's USA, not the rebels in the mountains of Afganistan.
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So if you ask me who is a bigger threat to us in this world, it's USA, not the rebels in the mountains of Afganistan.


Absolutely agree with this assessment. USA up until they dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan was a great nation. Since then everything they have done has been one long list of total evil.

They are the number one problem in this world and we all need to stand against them. Not with guns and bombs but with something that will really hurt them ....money!

Simple make a stand and do not buy US products. If you are buying a new car, don't buy a US made car (they are total crap anyway!). At the grocery store, check the products are not from the US. Until the US joins the world as a peaceful respectful nation, we must stand against them and tell them what they do in this world is not to continue, even if it means people like Matt cry about it. We simply can not let what the US does in this world continue as one day the nation the US is dropping bombs on, may be your country, it may be your house that just blew up and it may be your loved ones who have just been blown apart ..... and see that thing hiding in the grass, it's a land mine dropped from a US cluster bomb twenty years agos, if you had of stood on it, your leg/s would have been blown off ..... so everyone, do something now and spread the word to others -

DO NOT BUY US PRODUCTS!!!!!
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DustWolf wrote:
the USA never actually fought a real, out of control, decimating war on their own territory


What about the Civil War? No one but Americans died there.

MichaelH wrote:
USA up until they dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan was a great nation. Since then everything they have done has been one long list of total evil.


In the U.S., I've never heard anyone even slightly suggest that dropping those bombs was somehow evil. That kind of blame is WAY over my head, and I refuse to pretend to know their intentions at the time. Obviously, the ends NEVER justify the means, but judging such complex situations is an oversimplification, at best. (Seriously, these arguments lead to nothing productive.)

EDIT: In Christianity, harboring anger against your neighbor for a prolonged period of time is equal to murder because anger is not love and itself can lead to sudden violence. Killing one person without just cause or killing a million or wanting to kill someone are all paths to Hell (separation from God). The punishment is the same because all are inexcusable. (This is not my opinion but God's law).

We are called to love God and neighbor (i.e., everyone without exception). God does NOT expect perfection from us, only that we try.

(NOTE: I am NOT pointing the finger at anyone, just clarifying the facts.)

MichaelH wrote:
DO NOT BUY US PRODUCTS!!!!!


That might be hard to do for me. Laughing

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In the U.S., I've never heard anyone even slightly suggest that dropping those bombs was somehow evil.


Well, that's really sad....., isn't it!


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We are called to love God and neighbor (i.e., everyone without exception). God does NOT expect perfection from us, only that we try.


Well I guess the US of A didn't try very hard then, cause if they had of, they would have never dropped the first nuclear bomb on Japan, let alone the second. So going by what you have written, God must be pretty pissed off with you folk from the US.

Anyway I don't want to argue one specific evil event perpetrated by the US on the world as all of these events tell a story of a country that has completely lost it's soul.

Thank you God for giving the US cluster bombs ...... do I hear an Amen Sad
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especially from countries that done little more that war with each other for centuries, if not millenium
Ahem... remind me last time Slovakia attacked anyone. In fact, slovakia WAS ruled by habsburg monarchy for over millenium, and then it became free after WW1 (check the fighting sides - haven't seen US there)

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US has to come in and clean up the mess
US didn't interfere in WW1. Then, in WW2 it didn't take care about rules limiting germans which were set after WW1, together with most big countries. This allowed WW2 to happen at all. And it started to care only after they got attacked. Also note that it was Red Army who destroyed hitler, even though England and US helped greatly. During the Day-D, the war was already lost for Nazis.

And please calm down. We all here should be smart people, respecting different opinions. I could be speaking about years genocide of natives aswell.


Non interference was supposed to be basic U.S foreign policy, going all the way back to George Washington. WWII changed things. Something about being attacked I guess. The red army would have been toast without the massive U.S aid the russians received, so you can't really attribute it all to the Russians.

As for Iraq, it was and is a pathetic military blunder. Nevertheless unless someone stands up to the islamic tide we will all be bowing down to mecca soon enough and our women will be nothing more than property. Remember these fanatics started this war, I'd prefer to see America finish it. I wish europe would stop the process of surrendering to islam and join the crusade. A little bit of cultural and even military pride would be in order. Unless we all prefer reverting back to 7'th century.

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I just came back into this thread after a few day vacation from it, and look what it's turned into...

Here's my little opinion, you can't understand one's actions till you know what they saw. You can't assume that a guy is screwing with you if he is on crack and thinks he saw an alien, not that you have to beleive him, but that dosn't mean he's pulling your leg. Both sides on this debate on bush see completely different propoganda. Bush acted on what he saw, and until we know and see exactly what bush saw, we really can't judge his character. May i point out that bush wasn't the only one who started this war, since in America's government today, you cannot start a war without congress' approval. Congress approved of this war. Neither side knows what Bush or congress saw, and we ignore the propganda from the opposing side of the argument. You must remember that we are being shown the same war, but different things from that war to support our claims. The Bush supporters see muslim radicals threatening to attack america when the iraq war is over. They also see people happy that Saddam is gone. On the flip side, the ones against Bush see soldiers being tortured, people of both sides getting slaughtered, and other things. Then both sides are getting fed fake statistics (like in all wars) about the death count and other things. I must point out that if as many americans died as some of those statistics say, there wouldn't be anyone left in america to defend. This war in iraq issue is something we all have strong emotions about, just like abortion, and news is an industry just like computers, and i'm sure we all know that when it comes to computers, as long as people buy it, it dosn't matter if it's true or not, same with politics and the news. As long as news sells, it dosn't matter if it's true or not. I think both sides of the Bush argument should keep that in mind before opening their mouths.
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