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shoorick



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shoorick
oh! where sprinkled beuty disappeared? Smile
is there men who play games like doom, watch movies with monsters, and scared of NORMAL girl (just far beyond of 18 ) Very Happy
Post 29 Sep 2006, 09:38
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vid
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shoorick: ? i don't understand you
Post 29 Sep 2006, 10:46
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shoorick



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oh, sorry! wrinkled beauty should be! let it be a kind of charade (those who knew who disappeared should got it Smile ) btw, i already found her in the explorer cache, so, if it stay no clear - i can post her here again Very Happy
Post 29 Sep 2006, 11:10
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MHajduk



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MHajduk
shoorick wrote:
i can post her here again
Please, no! Shocked Shoorick, I don't want to vomit again! Laughing Laughing

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M.H.
Post 29 Sep 2006, 11:57
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tom tobias



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shoorick:
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men who play games like doom, watch movies with monsters, and scared of NORMAL girl (just far beyond of 18 )

vid:
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shoorick: ? i don't understand you

When vid removed Ms. Taken, responding to Octavio's plea for help, I was initially surprised! Wow, it is not regarded on this forum as incorrect to describe someone's appearance in a rather impolite fashion, as vid did, but a humorous photograph is censored. Hmm.
I enjoyed reading Shoorick's response.
Humor? Why would I write "humorous photograph" ?
Ok, let's see what we have:
First, THE NAME. Yup. A pun on the English language. Most native speakers would never think of the phonemes involved in saying: Ms. Australia, or Ms. Brazil. That "Ms." sound is exactly the same as the "mis" sound in "mistaken".
Second, the lipstick--Oh, you didn't notice, aha, you were focused on the woman's mammary glands--modified sweat glands. But her makeup, and phony smile were intentionally sardonic, and meant to repudiate the notion of beauty portrayed by contests like Ms. World. In fact her smile was directed to vid, she read his comments on the FASM forum, and contributed her photograph in support of vid's assertions.
Third, her age, very, very old, is ridiculous--hence humorous. Obviously beauty is fleeting, as was noted above, yet millions of dollars are wasted on programs like Ms. World, money which could be better spent teaching people about many things--global warming, the murders in Iraq by USA, the unequal distribution of the world's resources by a handful of countries, leaving millions of people in utter poverty.
Personally, I laughed when I saw her photo. I found it funny--a brilliant repudiation of the Ms. World contest, without writing a single word. Octavio has respectable English, but he erred in describing Ms. Taken's image as illustrative of TERRORISM. I believe he meant to write: PORNOGRAPHY, for no one died or suffered injury as a result of viewing Ms.Taken's picture (unless someone was eating concurrently, and choked on the food, while laughing!!!). However, Ms. Taken's image represents neither terrorism, nor pornography. There was nothing even remotely salacious or lewd about her image. On the contrary, her appearance was OBVIOUSLY less suggestive of sexual promiscuity, than the other two women, Ms. India, and Ms. Netherlands, both of whom adopted poses designed to titillate male viewers. (no pun intended!) (ok, maybe a little one...) No, Ms. Taken's sole raison d'etre is to induce laughter among those sophisticated enough to enjoy the humor inherent in her repudiation of the Ms. World contest. By presenting, not simply revealing, her century old, modified sweat glands for inspection, she performs precisely the manoeuvre sought by all males, from the other contestants. Would MHajduk still feel like vomiting, if the pose of Ms. Taken was adopted by Ms. Netherlands? Would Octavio still consider it "terrorism", if the pose of Ms. Taken CONCEALED her century old mammary glands with a bathing suit? At least in Europe, one expects that an image of female mammary glands is not so exotic as to induce gasps of horror. Are these FASM programmers, or children on this forum? Finally, I am confused why vid should write: "shoorick, I don't understand you." Strange. vid's English is superb, while shoorick's is only mediocre, yet vid, WHO COMMENCED the criticism of the original photographs, cannot follow the brilliant commentary of shoorick, who expressed, far more succinctly, hence more effectively, than I do, the essential significance of Ms. Taken. Writing computer programs requires MORE than simply memorizing some instructions. One must also engage in at least a bit of contemplation. Shoorick's comments reveal his creative instinct. Well done.
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MHajduk



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Tom:

It's a real pleasure to have as wise forumer as You over this thread, because You raise discussion level as well as blood pressure. Very Happy
tom tobias wrote:
That "Ms." sound is exactly the same as the "mis" sound in "mistaken".
I think, that You don't be obliged to explain us the sense of this quibble. Very Happy

I don't take pleasure in ugliness and imperfection. I have it in abundance around me, so I'm trying to eject this chaos from my life and replace it with cosmos (= "order, jewel" in primordial Greek meaning of this word).

Miss World contest is a real holiday of beauty, nothing more. I'm going to contemplate this event today's evening. Very Happy

Regards,
M.H.
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M.H.:
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I don't take pleasure in ugliness and imperfection....
Actually, it is important to think about FASM, for example, improvements which could be useful, today, the day representing the first FASM technical conference. From one point of view, FASM today is as unattractive, compared with what it may become in the future, as Ms. Taken. I offered the photograph of Ms. Taken in support of vid's position of criticism of the Ms. World contest, and in the same manner, I offered the brief (for me) explanation of those supposedly humorous aspects of Ms.Taken's image. I hoped it would stimulate controversy among the FASM thinkers on this forum. Of course, it is a little difficult to stimulate thinking with the image removed!
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...in primordial Greek meaning ...
Thinking was defined by Hegel, scholar of ancient Greek philosophy, as the act of negating that which is immediately before us. In the case of FASM, and in the case of Ms. Taken, one has an opportunity to engage in some thinking.
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...blood pressure....
So, dear M.H., for the record, what about that question: Would you still "vomit" if Ms. Netherlands appeared in the same costume as Ms. Taken?
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MHajduk



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MHajduk
tom tobias wrote:
Would you still "vomit" if Ms. Netherlands appeared in the same costume as Ms. Taken?
No, of course. Very Happy

Regards,
M.H.
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tom tobias, as some of us did just learn, by Tomasz himself, 'fasm' shouldnt be written in CAPS... Smile
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MHajduk



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MHajduk
OK, I'll try to write 'fasm' from now. Very Happy
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MazeGen



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MazeGen
The Miss is finally from Czech Republic.

...just not sure if she is really the most beautiful girl in the world.
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shoorick



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shoorick
thanks, tom! i got pleasure reading your post Smile

some resume on this subject:
at first, that photo was not a pornography, just top-less (generally usual today), at second, it was not a terrorism, but realism: years and children will make these models similar to this woman. to hate woman for such body is worse then rasism: our (grand)mothers look same, should we hate them so? as well as nice young girls attract our sight as we are (mostly here) male persons, normal reaction to the body of an old woman should be NEUTRAL.

what about letter case Very Happy as i do remember, case of FASM letters has been discussed in aspect of fasm logo. i'm using both cases, and when i wish to say "it is exactly FASM, not anything else", i use capital letters. also, i use capital when i'm enumerating assemblers, because then lowercased "fasm" will look strange among other. but matter is other!! Wink
okasvi's post has next meaning: "tom! you are absolutely right! i would like to disagree with you very much, but did not found anything sufficient except letter case" (hope, okasvi will not abuse on this - it is just friendly psychological analysis Smile )

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MHajduk



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shoorick wrote:
to hate woman for such body is worse then rasism: our (grand)mothers look same, should we hate them so?
Shoorick, Your words are even better than morning coffee. Very Happy Fortunately, I don't have to watch my grandmother(s) naked Laughing, but I have old neighbours, which give me such kind of "entertainment" every summer.
shoorick wrote:
that photo was not a pornography
We are not here to define idea of pornography, but my definition of it is: "pornography is a such kind of visual expression, which is created with doing harm (violence, murder) to a model (human, animal) or evoking negative feelings on spectator".

Regards,
M.H.

[EDIT] "mine definition" -> "my definition" [/EDIT]


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Post 02 Oct 2006, 09:01
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shoorick



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shoorick
i think, your definition in second question is not correct. it is hard to discuss it here, because we possible will need illustrations (in educational purposes), so, topic will become look strange and out of rules Very Happy
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Octavio



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I was joking, really did not expect the photo to be censured.
It make me laught (i donĀ“t eat while using the computer)
And is not the kind of image you can find on a porno film but perhaps
on a documental about the ancient egipt Smile
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shoorick



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would you say then that ancient egyptians are neighbours of MHajduk? Very Happy maybe they build little pyramides in their kitchen-garden (to grow their potato larger) Very Happy think, ths topic already got exhausted... Smile
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As wise and honest as the Kaczynski Brothers

I thought those were corrupt catholic right-wing bastards?
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tom tobias



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as some of us did just learn, by Tomasz himself, 'fasm' shouldnt be written in CAPS

Umm, sorry, I was away all week, just returned today, and have no idea what went on at the wonderful first FASM conference. However, whoever wrote that FASM should be written as "fasm" IS INCORRECT, in my opinion.
Here's some data explaining the distinction between Acronym (which is what FASM is,) Initialism, for example HTML, and Abbreviation (BBC, or CIA). *******************
http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/Acronym
An acronym is a pronounceable word formed from the initial letter or letters of the constituent words, such as NATO.
http://www.benmeadowcroft.com/webdev/articles/abbr-vs-acronym.shtml
abbreviation
A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form; for example, U.K. for United Kingdom.
acronym
A word formed from the initial parts of a name, such as NATO, from North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, or Commintern, from Communist International.
initialism
An abbreviation of a phrase consisting of the initial letter of each word in the phrase; distinguishable from an acronym in that it is not pronounced as a single word; for example B.B.C., C.I.A.
**********
HTML, for example, is NOT an acronym, but rather an INITIALISM. FASM IS an acronym. Those who prefer to write Fasm, instead of FASM, are welcome to do so. However, writing "fasm", in my opinion, is ERRONEOUS. Good argument could be made for both FASM and Fasm. Personally, I prefer FASM, not only because the bold letters assert a meaningful, worthy accomplishment, but also because the reader unfamiliar with Fasm, will be alerted to MULTIPLE WORDS associated with the acronym, as opposed to a SINGLE word: flatassembler. Since FASM represents NOT ONE word, it seems reasonable to me to write FASM, though I acknowledge, for example, the acronym Commintern, with only a single capital letter despite representing TWO words, as with Flat Assembler. For sure, it must AT LEAST be written as Fasm. It CAN NOT be written "fasm". It seems to me OPTIONAL, whether or not one capitalizes ASM. For me, it will remain FASM, until my death. ( I am not a terribly flexible guy, as some may have noticed previously....) I will never accept "fasm" as correct in the English language.
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