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lilljocke



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lilljocke
Is there anyone who knows where i can find programing jobs. i don't want to have money i just want something to code for people.
Post 08 Jun 2006, 13:30
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vid
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then anywhere. in our country we have a job portal, but better way is to get in touch with people working in area that interests you. This way you can find better jobs, without "outsource solution embedded developer" management crap
Post 08 Jun 2006, 14:55
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quasar



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I've never seen a job for x86 assembly programmer in my country Sad
Post 08 Jun 2006, 17:49
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MazeGen



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You find scarely ever pure assembly programming jobs, but the knowledge of assembly language is welcomed.
From my experience, one of the best ways how to find such job is contribution to public assembly discussions. Expect offers from anti-virus and anti-cracking companies, OS-developing companies etc.
Post 08 Jun 2006, 20:30
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Quantum



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2 MazeGen:
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Expect offers from anti-virus and anti-cracking companies

Virus and cracking related (spyware, carding and other dirty activities) are the only ones seeking for experienced coders all over the web. Legal corporations hire programmers in a very different way, unless they seek for hackers and virus makers to deliver them directly to CIA/FBI guys.

Experienced assembly coders are often required in driver or firmware development (ATI, nVidia, Intel, AMD, Motorola, IBM, ...)

Companies developing packers/protectors...

Universities and research centers hire assembly experts as well.
Post 08 Jun 2006, 21:09
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vid
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Quantum wrote:
Virus and cracking related (spyware, carding and other dirty activities) are the only ones seeking for experienced coders all over the web. Legal corporations hire programmers in a very different way, unless they seek for hackers and virus makers to deliver them directly to CIA/FBI guys.

legal anti-virus and anti-cracking companies also have to search for emplyees this way, you can't really find someone with such special knowledge using classical way.

Me and MazeGen are good examples :P
Post 08 Jun 2006, 21:27
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Quantum



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2 vid:
You are good exceptions to the rule Wink

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you can't really find someone with such special knowledge using classical way

First of all, what's the classical way?
Post 08 Jun 2006, 23:27
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vid
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advertisements, job portals, job agencys... things that work for most of "common" working positions.
Post 09 Jun 2006, 01:25
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Quantum



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2 vid:
Well, that's too classical. Game development compinies don't hire testers, QA, artists and so on (nothing to do with assembly) in that way. They go to the biggest programming contest (or even hold such a contest) and ask the winners join the team.
Post 09 Jun 2006, 01:51
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Madis731



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Btw, I made my diploma thesis in ASM Very Happy

They weren't very pleased, but I got a "4" (very good) still - a bit short from "5" (marvelous). I made multiple version - one was converted to C++. The problem was that because I used ASM-oriented thinking - the C-code was MUCH bigger.

I wouldn't count on getting any jobs with ASM, but it will help you A LOT even if you were to code games and such in C. Just from time to time use some inline asm in your C-code Wink
Post 09 Jun 2006, 07:55
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comrade



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most drivers are in C/C++, you'll see very little asm (close to none)
Post 09 Jun 2006, 08:00
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MazeGen



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2 Quantum: Also third party headhunters are searching for experts on programming boards.
Post 09 Jun 2006, 08:05
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zhak



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I couldn't find any asm related job in my country neither, so I'm a QA engineer Sad Everywhere I asked I got "Hey, some C/.NET/Java would be nice"... Where does the world go?..
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Madis731



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@zhak: High-level probably?

There's an interesting fact that when e-mail inboxes for some people get higher than 2...3GB its *cheaper* to buy more HDD to waste (working) hours on sorting and deleting them Neutral Horrible!
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Quantum



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2 comrade:
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most drivers are in C/C++, you'll see very little asm (close to none)

I've seen some drivers in pure asm. One was polimorfic (it's harder to code a polimorfic engine in C, so asm is much better for that). But you are right - most drivers are in C/C++. Not much low-level programming knowledge (and hardware knowledge) is required to code a simple PCI/USB driver nowadays, or a virtual device. But indeep machine architecture understanding is very useful while programming real software (not necessary in assembler). Most universities teach assembler in their computer science related courses not to make students wright their future projects in asm, but to make them undestand what's inside that black box called CPU, or OS, or whatever. It's worsit the effort. What I'm trying to explain is that software/hardware manufacturers won't hire a driver developer not knowing asm, because they don't need mediocre driver developers.

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Where does the world go?..

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/Archive.html
Post 09 Jun 2006, 15:28
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vid
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and, as one friend said, you will never understand C++ without knowing ASM. To me it seems very truthful
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Post 11 Jun 2006, 00:45
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lilljocke



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Thanks a lot for all answers!!

Buti do not look for "real" jobs like working in a companey i mean like "Rent a coder" but for free.
Post 12 Jun 2006, 12:31
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Quantum



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2 lilljocke:
Do you mean working for free? Why not joining an opensource team (i.e. goto Sourceforge)?
Post 12 Jun 2006, 13:56
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lilljocke



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yeah for free Smile

opensource sounds great i have joined Sourceforge
Post 12 Jun 2006, 13:58
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