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vid
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vid

hi, can't find good old align macro.

i just need to formula to calculate, how many bytes to fill to align something to some given value Smile

07 Jun 2006, 13:36

LocoDelAssembly
Your code has a bug

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LocoDelAssembly

bytesToFill = $ mod alignValue ?

07 Jun 2006, 13:44

vid
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vid

no, byt maybe alignval - ($ mod alignval) seems a little better, except case when $ mod alignval is 0. I want that elegant form from old align macro Smile

07 Jun 2006, 13:54

Quantum

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Quantum

(($ + alignval - 1) and -alignval) - $

BTW, what happened to good old align directive?

07 Jun 2006, 14:20

vid
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vid

it's not for FASM coding. i just needed algorithm.

good not-that-old align directive is still working

07 Jun 2006, 14:22

vid
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vid

it's not for FASM coding. i just needed algorithm.

good not-that-old align directive is still working

thanks

07 Jun 2006, 14:28

Quantum

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Quantum

And not-that-good (unless I'm the only one missing howto insert a custom byte value instead of the predefined 90h). Nops look kind of weird inside a data block.

07 Jun 2006, 15:19

LocoDelAssembly
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LocoDelAssembly

And using NOPs in code is not too much efficient neither, anyway you can override align with your own macro

Code:

macro align alignval {rb (($ + alignval - 1) and -alignval) - $}

However make sure of use it on data sections because it reserves and initialize with zeroes if more data follows the align (which is the most probable).

[edit]

Code:

macro align alignval, customval
{
if customval eq
  align alignval
else
  times (($ + alignval - 1) and -alignval) - $ db customval
end if
}

But note this one if you use align but then no more data comes the customval will be written anyway while the original align works in the same way that the first align macro but initializes with 90h instead.[/edit]

07 Jun 2006, 16:03

Tomasz Grysztar

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Tomasz Grysztar

Section 2.2.5 contains of fasm's manual an example how you can customize the alignment in any way you want. It's quite easy to make into macro.

And the so-called "good old align macro" you can find as one of the first examples in the 2.3.3 section.

I know, nobody reads it, but it still contains a few useful things, you know. Wink

07 Jun 2006, 16:50

Quantum

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Quantum

2 locodelassembly and Tomasz Grysztar:
I already knew that, but thanks anyway. The point is I never asked for a macro solution. align is a directive, not a macro. I don't like macros at all. But that's only my very humble personal opinion.

2 locodelassembly:

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However make sure of use it on data sections because it reserves and initialize with zeroes if more data follows the align (which is the most probable)

People usually store uninitialized data in a block storage space section (BSS) or any other virtually extended (bss-like) place of another section (data/text). So, I'm not sure I understand your tip.

07 Jun 2006, 19:52

vid
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Quote:

I know, nobody reads it, but it still contains a few useful things, you know.

because we don't know what remained and what has changed. i don't want to read entire 200kb pure text file to find 0.05% of new things...

07 Jun 2006, 20:10

Tomasz Grysztar

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Tomasz Grysztar

Actually the "align" macro was there for all the time, even in the previous manual.

07 Jun 2006, 20:13

amcl

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amcl

Quantum wrote:

People usually store uninitialized data in a block storage space section (BSS) or any other virtually extended (bss-like) place of another section (data/text).

Sorry my response is offtopic, useless and pedantic, but BSS stands for 'Block Started by Symbol'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bss

07 Jun 2006, 20:29

Quantum

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Quantum

2 amcl:

Quote:

BSS stands for 'Block Started by Symbol'

That's what many people believe (including D. Ritchie). But I prefer the former definition (mentioned somewhere by M. Pietrek). Oh, and never trust a wiki Wink

07 Jun 2006, 21:18

LocoDelAssembly
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LocoDelAssembly

Quote:

So, I'm not sure I understand your tip.

That is because my english is terrible. I'd tried to say that never use my align macro on code sections because it will pad with zeroes which is a problem if those zeroes gets executed. And about the second macro (which has the same problem with code section unless you use a valid single byte opcode as customval or not pass a customval), the problem is if you have a source like this:

Code:

macro align alignval, customval
{ 
if customval eq 
  align alignval 
else 
  times (($ + alignval - 1) and -alignval) - $ db customval 
end if 
}

db 1
align 16, 0

Will produce a 16 byte binary file while the original align (the directive) will be only a 1 byte binary file.

08 Jun 2006, 01:59

Quantum

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Quantum

2 locodelassembly:

Quote:

I'd tried to say that never use my align macro on code sections because it will pad with zeroes which is a problem if those zeroes gets executed

I see know. Well, a piece of padding code not intended to be executed should be filled with 0xCC bytes instead of 0x90's. At least MS VC guys think so.

Quote:

And about the second macro

That was clear from the beginning. Another little minus goes to macros Wink

Quote:

That is because my english is terrible.

I whouldn't say that. Mine is worse. Mi español es un poco mejor. What really matters is that we finally understood each other.

08 Jun 2006, 02:36

shism2

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shism2

There was someone on this forum who made a macro which calculates the necessary alignment. I don't remember who and how to find it. But it was on here before.

08 Jun 2006, 02:53

LocoDelAssembly
Your code has a bug

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LocoDelAssembly

Yep but the problem is that align is normally used to align loops where the preceding bytes will normally get executed.

Code:

mov ecx, someValue
align 16
.loop:
dec .loop
jnz .loop

The bytes between "mov ecx, someVal" and .loop (if any) will be executed so apropiate opcodes are requiered here. Anyway good point about $CC, it could be used when you align PROCs.

Si no has entendido dime y seguimos por PM en español así no te confundo más Wink

Regards

08 Jun 2006, 03:18

shism2

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shism2

ta hablodo a mi ?

08 Jun 2006, 04:34

Quantum

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Quantum

2 locodelassembly:

Quote:

Yep but the problem is that align is normally used to align loops where the preceding bytes will normally get executed.

In case of loops, nops ain't always the best solution. For example, instead of 2 consecutive nops it's more efficient to place a mov eax,eax.

08 Jun 2006, 16:10

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