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Matrix 17 Aug 2007, 23:37
Dear DOS ASM - ers
you should respect each other more, and write in a less insulting manner, this is not a solution, the forum's primary purpose is to help others, and discuss things. f0dder, i think maeby people reading this message board does not agree with the rude words you use these times. |
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Matrix 17 Aug 2007, 23:53
Sahrian wrote: Matrix represents a lack of presence on this FASM DOS forum. Why he is moderator? He doesn't know anything about DOS, so he lacks the knowledge to be useful here. Please replace Matrix as moderator! Sahrian, i'm not sure why you are saying i do not know anything about Dos, but a Moderator is primarily here to moderate, delete spam, stop flaming, move/delete/merge/split topics, and also be a part of the message board as a regular member. Your questioning of my usefulness here sounds like a personal insultion, think about someone telling you are not useful. |
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Sahrian 18 Aug 2007, 11:32
Quote: Sahrian, i'm not sure why you are saying i do not know anything about Dos More truthful was to say that you don't know ENOUGH about DOS. In some topics from FASM DOS forum have been posted misguiding/incorrect informations or answers, but you had no reaction. Your only excuse is to say that you didn't read them, but as moderator your duty is to read any post in this forum. Quote: Your questioning of my usefulness here sounds like a personal insultion, think about someone telling you are not useful. I didn't insult you. If you find insult in my posts you are too chilidish. I "questioned your usefulness", as you say, based on facts. Matrix! I have nothing to share with you. If you think that it is important for you to be moderator, just continue to be, but take someone else to help you. It doesn't cost anything! |
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Japheth 18 Aug 2007, 14:56
f0dder wrote: NTOSKRNL_VXE: IDA is not open-source and it's not <200kb. There used to be a DOS version, but I frankly don't care one bit about DOS these days, in my mind it's dead and gone and good f***ing riddance. Why in such a bad mood, fßdder? IIRC you are/were a moderator of the Win32asm board, which surely is ways more "dead" than DOS. f0dder wrote: What's the point in having a small and/or dos and/or opensource disassembler if it's only able to produce dumb static disassembly listings? For any serious use, you need an interactive disassembler. I know you are a reasonable person, so why posting such bullsh*t? You cannot know all possible serious uses, and for many of those a simple disassembler will suffice (HT for example). Quote:
Since you don't even bother to explain what FLIRT is, this part of your post is just advertising/spamming. |
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DOS386 19 Aug 2007, 06:34
Quote: I just would like to saving the disassembly into a file. Hey ... BIEW can do this  ... it's a bit hidden in "File Utilities" ... but works  _________________ Bug Nr.: 12345 Title: Hello World program compiles to 100 KB !!! Status: Closed: NOT a Bug |
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rugxulo 28 Aug 2007, 23:57
First of all, I think we've all heard the "F bomb" about a gazillion times. Besides, f0dder is pretty smart, always helping people on this forum, and is certainly entitled to his opinion. So, it's very hard for me to get mad at him.
However, no, DOS ain't dead, that's just plain fallacy.
DOS maybe ain't entirely commercially viable anymore (but see this and this), but it sure ain't "dead" (as in "unused"). 
P.S. The latest DOS version of IDA Free (that I know of, anyways) is 3.7, and you can download it here. P.P.S. Almost forgot! Enjoy the (modified, tongue-in-cheek) banners! 
Gene Simmons (of KISS) wrote:
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DOS386 29 Aug 2007, 05:47
> P.S. The latest DOS version of IDA Free (that I know of, anyways) is 3.7, and you can download it here. (6502
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Did you test ? Does not work at all for me  runs out of memory even on a 10 bytes .COM |
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f0dder 29 Aug 2007, 10:32
Haha rugxulo, I love those banners
Well, an apology is in order. I always use "view new posts since last visit", and the original question didn't seem DOS related at all; didn't notice that it was in the DOS section. NTOSKRNL_VXE got a bit on my nerves, and well... everybody can have a bad day. So, sorry, peace out. Japheth: I do believe that for just about any serious use, static disassembly will not suffice; sure, it'll work with <1kb attrib utilities , but not if you need to understand a program that's a bit larger.
FLIRT is a library recognition technology, which handles a lot of existing high-level runtime libraries, meaning that for anything compiled with a known compiler+runtime, you'll get all the standard names instead of having to detect those functions yourself - really handy. It's also possible to build your own FLIRT signatures to detect things like PCRE, libtomcrypt, ... |
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29 Aug 2007, 10:32 |
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rugxulo 30 Aug 2007, 02:56
NTOSKRNL_VXE wrote: > P.S. The latest DOS version of IDA Free (that I know of, anyways) is 3.7, and you can download it here. (6502 Yes, just now tested on XP, apparently works fine (with FreeDOS attrib, 7k .COM, unpacked) though I only looked at superficially, didn't reassemble the output or anything.
It does say in the docs that you need at least 500k conv. mem. plus some fair amount of free HD space. It also can take advantage of XMS or EMS. (So, don't run from floppy or other low-end situation and make sure a good mem. manager is running). EDIT: Quote:
Spread 'em around! Seriously, any publicity is good publicity! |
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30 Aug 2007, 02:56 |
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DOS386 05 Sep 2007, 01:33
Quote: Gene Simmons (of KISS) wrote: Are you sure ?
Quote: Yes, just now tested on XP
Quote: It does say in the docs that you need at least 500k conv. mem. plus some fair amount of free HD space. It also can take advantage of XMS or EMS. (So, don't run from floppy or other low-end situation and make sure a good mem. manager is running). OK, works now. Low memory hog fails to test for required memory throws random inappropriate error messages and if it crashes if leaves some crap files on HD preventing it from running well next time ... well, delete crap AND activate "good" manager ... works ... 
Good idea, bad implementation  _________________ Bug Nr.: 12345 Title: Hello World program compiles to 100 KB !!! Status: Closed: NOT a Bug |
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