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Jaques



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I began to wonder: How to Make up a spoken and written langauge and become fluent... any ideas

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Post 06 Oct 2005, 22:36
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HyperVista



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I'm thinking that if you make the language up yourself, you're fluent by definition. Laughing
Post 06 Oct 2005, 22:54
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vbVeryBeginner



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u wanna build a new civilization?
Post 06 Oct 2005, 23:22
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Jaques



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HyperVista.... well not really... to be fluent in a language ones speach must flow in its intended fashion. You can have made up a word and not know it. You can have forged grammar and not use it properly. No i dont want a civilization, I just need something to do
Post 07 Oct 2005, 00:00
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u got problem with current modern langauge?
could you define wat you mean by "Make up" ?
Post 07 Oct 2005, 00:12
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HyperVista



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Jaques - a pretty cool thing to want to do ...... I guess. You may want to check out the Esperanto website. Someone at the end of the 18h century had the same idea as you and went for it. Check it out: http://www.esperanto.net/
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nice sitej, i read it for a minuteo but i think it stick more to english. just imho. or u could think a language that without any alphabet. eg. color.

shade of color = degree of expression
eg. shade of black = degree of adjective
let say, black = "fastest", if gray = "fast", white = 'slow"
red = angry
blue
there are many possibilities to xtend it, just cross my thought some how. Smile
Post 07 Oct 2005, 01:28
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Jaques



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I have an alphabet in mind, and about a hundred words... should host a repository of words somewhere
Post 07 Oct 2005, 01:32
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Redragon



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I wonder why Esperanto isnt used much? for instance on the forum here. Then everyone from all over the world could understand each other, especially on the internet. I think it would be worth learning
Post 07 Oct 2005, 18:44
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Jaques



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Esperanto isnt used because of natiioonalism... may langs purpose is generic proof of concept
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Vivu Esperanto! Chu neniu scipovas chi tiun tre belan lingvon?


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Post 08 Oct 2005, 07:04
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Me kredi gxia cool. (I think i said that right. lol)
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It is not used because Esperanto is an artificial construct, a mind aberation of somebody.

The idea of a single Earth language is valid and required for evolution. But them hummans dont have what it takes for evolution.

And the real language is there: plain English. It is simple and already a defacto standard in technology.

It has the advantage that it is already known by many people... it is alive and again very simple to use and learn. Probably the most simple leanguage on Earth.

It is important that it is already in use and thus proven to be valid as a language, beeing able to express both technology and poetry/art.

All other languages are more complicated and thus must be eliminated Razz
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http://it.wikipedia.org Italiano -- 113,458 articoli
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bogdanontanu wrote:

All other languages are more complicated and thus must be eliminated Razz
Post 08 Oct 2005, 21:44
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Jaques



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bogdanontanu wrote:
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And the real language is there: plain English. It is simple and already a defacto standard in technology.

English... simple... Gobbledeegook... silliness
Esperanto is easy to learn.
rugxulo stop changing your conventions for diatrics i am somewhat learning Esperanto.. but you ought to let everyone else in on your messages or maybe.... hmm maybe a poll

BTW rugxluo... do you know of a good place to learn from?
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I thought Chinese[1] is spoken by more people than any other language. English is number two on the list. Hehe, we should all learn Chinese.

[1] However, I think that encompasses all the numerous dialects like Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokkien, etc.
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revolution wrote:
I thought Chinese[1] is spoken by more people than any other language. English is number two on the list. Hehe, we should all learn Chinese.
[1] However, I think that encompasses all the numerous dialects like Mandarin, Cantonese, Hokkien, etc.

We should remember, "Chinese" is similar to "European", or "African". There are literally thousands of different languages in China. If one travels to China, and attempts to communicate using "standard" Chinese, i.e. PuTongHua, aka (also known as) "Mandarin" Chinese, then, IN THE NORTHERN third of China, most folks can understand the foreigner. South of a line connecting NanJing with XiAn, no ordinary inhabitant will understand a foreigner speaking PuTongHua. Nor can such a foreigner understand their language, until he/she turns to English. It is difficult to find accurate information on this subject-- here is a quote from encarta:

The 10 most widely spoken languages, with approximate numbers of native speakers, are as follows: Chinese, 1.2 billion; Arabic, 422 million; Hindi, 366 million; English, 341 million; Spanish, 322 to 358 million; Bengali, 207 million; Portuguese, 176 million; Russian, 167 million; Japanese, 125 million; German, 100 million.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570647_4____36/Language.html#s36

With regard to Esperanto:
1. STILL too difficult, 2. ONLY European languages based--does not embrace linguistic features of Arabic, Farsi, Hindi, or "Chinese"--i.e. more than half the world's population.
We need, in my opinion, a much SIMPLER language, in order to achieve universality of understanding.
Sorry Bogdan, regarding the supposed facility of learning English, I don't agree with you at all. English, in my opinion, is one of the MOST DIFFICULT languages to understand, and to learn. Why? one word says it all: ENOUGH. Should be spelled ENUF. or INUF. or INUHF, or INAHF or INEHF???
Native speakers of English cannot understand one another. I MUST rely on subtitles to understand many BBC productions. Movies from Australia without subtitles must be action oriented, else I cannot follow the dialogue. Even within North America, I have trouble understanding the pronounciation of people from the Northeast and South.
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Redragon



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I know what ya mean tom, ive been speaking english all my life and some words still just dont sound right, for instance why can't words be spelled the way they sound, like..


education - edgeyakashun
government - govurmint
economics - echonomiks

and sometimes when your new to learning english, and they tell you to "sound it out", yeah right, if it really was that was, the words above would be spelled that way
Post 10 Oct 2005, 11:50
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Jaques



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Esperanto is simple. I disagree with Tom Tobias: it requires almost less thought than english as it is composed of about 900 roots rather than thousands as in english. English has a word for everything, Esperanto allows room for a word for everything. This is the better way. You are more coherent: English is full of words with ambiguous meanings that even native speakers!!!
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