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Tomasz Grysztar
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Tomasz Grysztar

The new project, possibly even commercial, that I'm thinking about is the fast code generation library for x86/x86-64 based on fasm. It would be coming in both static and dynamic library form, and allow not only the same functionality as fasm through direct function calls, but also memory-to-memory compilation, assembly without preprocessing, convenient error information passing etc. Of course the main application would be to make compilers.

Do you think there would be some interest in such library?

16 Jul 2005, 22:23

crc

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crc

I'd definitely be interested in it.

16 Jul 2005, 22:34

f0dder

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f0dder

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Do you think there would be some interest in such library?

Would it mean dropping the main (opensource) fasm, or moving it to second priority?

As it is now, such a library could be built from the fasm sources without major problems, right?

16 Jul 2005, 22:58

Tomasz Grysztar
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As it is now, such a library could be built from the fasm sources without major problems, right?

Generally right, but to optimize it for some specific applications (like the in-memory assembly), some constitutive changes or extensions would be needed.

Anyway, the common part of code would be maintained pararell for both projects.

16 Jul 2005, 23:10

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Do you take PayPal? Question

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17 Jul 2005, 01:09

f0dder

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f0dder

Btw, I wouldn't mind sponsoring you in a couple months when I have money again (being a student and all Smile

), I just hope the main FASM tree will remain open and not GPL tainted. And I certainly hope you can profit from it, since it's a very great amount of (great) work!

17 Jul 2005, 01:11

Tomasz Grysztar
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The whole problem with PayPal is that is doesn't allow to receive money for clients from Poland (like me).

17 Jul 2005, 11:00

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coconut

did you not have some info about donating thru iKobo on the sourceforge site?

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Altough flat assembler is freeware, you can still donate some money if you like it - and it may help me in maintaining this project. You can send money donations through the iKobo, my account number for this service is GT222508PL.

17 Jul 2005, 15:52

Tomasz Grysztar
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This service caused some troubles.

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17 Jul 2005, 16:03

Raedwulf

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Hmmmm as long FASM stays alive Smile

I dont really mind actually...though you need to find people who are making compilers to use the project though.... and wouldn't they(those making the compiler) have sufficient knowledge in asm to make their own assembly generator?

Just a thought....because I'm not sure there'sa market niche for such a project though maybe ytou could find a few commercial compilers to use it?
Or could you ahve it like MySQL (free for non-commercial uses) ..?

Just some thinking

Ralph

17 Jul 2005, 19:31

Kain

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Raedwulf wrote:

Hmmmm as long FASM stays alive I dont really mind actually...though you need to find people who are making compilers to use the project though.... and wouldn't they(those making the compiler) have sufficient knowledge in asm to make their own assembly generator?

Just a thought....because I'm not sure there'sa market niche for such a project though maybe ytou could find a few commercial compilers to use it?
Or could you ahve it like MySQL (free for non-commercial uses) ..?

Just some thinking

Ralph

Not everyone is interested in the internals of the code generator. Having a
set of libraries that can be called from an HLL (like C++) would be of great
interest for them. Though I can't comment on the size of such a market and how much they are willing to pay.
For example for myself, I would only be willing to pay for a tool if it would help me write a commercial program (which so far is zero).

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18 Jul 2005, 21:57

Tomasz Grysztar
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Tomasz Grysztar

The most certainly I will make it free for non-commercial use. Don't know about the commercial, though.

08 Aug 2005, 16:40

comrade

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comrade

i think there is already a library like that
i will look it up in my bookmarks once i get home

08 Aug 2005, 20:53

THEWizardGenius

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The most certainly I will make it free for non-commercial use. Don't know about the commercial, though.

Good! I never do anything commercial anyways, so it would be nice if it's free. That would be helpful since I'll need to make some compiler for my OS, when it's finished (in a VERY long time...)

You might think about making it under a GPL-like license, where all programs (even commercial programs), must be open source. That would be cool!

08 Aug 2005, 22:22

f0dder

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f0dder

GPL isn't cool if you want to keep the rights over your own source code...

09 Aug 2005, 01:31

THEWizardGenius

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THEWizardGenius

Well I did say LIKE GPL, not GPL. I don't think GPL would work very well in this instance, but something similar might. Tomasz would keep his rights but anyone who used it would have to do what he says. Otherwise, they can find a different library Smile

Just an idea. After all, isn't it good to have open source?

09 Aug 2005, 02:07

f0dder

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f0dder

Currrent FASM is open source, isn't it? Smile

09 Aug 2005, 04:57

comrade

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comrade

comrade wrote:

i think there is already a library like that
i will look it up in my bookmarks once i get home

this is it:
http://softwire.sourceforge.net/

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09 Aug 2005, 12:17

THEWizardGenius

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I'm talking about the library, f0dder. If people can use it for commercial things it might be nice to force them to make their program Open Source. If the library is licensed similar to GPL then that will happen.
Not that it should be GPL, but maybe something similar. Open Source rocks!!!

09 Aug 2005, 18:03

Tomasz Grysztar
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However if don't think it would be "nice" to force them to make their programs Open Source.

09 Aug 2005, 18:05

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