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abimanyu



Joined: 12 Jan 2005
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abimanyu
Hi friends sorry for my rough words!!!!!
Friends i know menuet from one year and i am a g8 fan of it and i love it.
Where ever i go out i use to carry 2 mini cd's one is slax linux and another is menuet. Menuet is small, simple and perfect OS but today i get in more deeper about menuet i got some douts
1. A anti-virus program?
2. C libs

Till now i never use antu-virus for LINUX what to do with anti-virus for
menuet.
IF YOU SPEND THE SAME TIME ON WRITEING a web broswer or any other applications it would be very nice....
Menuet is completly written in assembly not only Menuet it's applications are also written in assembly it show's it's power but i did't understand one thing
why are you trying to create C lib for menuet there are many OS written in C go to them and show your tallent.
IF YOU SPEND THE TIME ON WRITEING A MOVIE PLAYER FOR MENUET IT
WOULD BE BETTER...
Menuet is small Simple and perfect OS
Every Programmer can read n understand it's kernel with minimun knowlage
Menuet is a g8 OS for every programmer
Every Programmer should try Menuet at least ones in his life
Post 12 Jan 2005, 18:04
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Andrew Youll



Joined: 19 Sep 2004
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Andrew Youll
why dont u shut up? hey? there are viruses for menuetOS get over it, so an AV was written, and there are web browsers in development.
Post 12 Jan 2005, 18:10
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ASHLEY4



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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ASHLEY4
What you say abimanyu is true, if you like C programming, you can not do better than linux, Menuet is the only OS for assembly programmers ( although SOLAR OS is getting there).
Once you let C programmers in they make stuff so fast, using there lib, it discourages asm programmer.
I do not know why people do not write inc file for menuet, so they can reuse code.

ps: abimanyu have you tyred http://www.hostwork.com/matt/demo/ it boots from a floppy and comes with a web browser Cool.

\\\\||////
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ASHLEY4.

Batteries not included, Some assembly required.
Post 12 Jan 2005, 18:44
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spideros1



Joined: 17 Jan 2004
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spideros1
I have to disagree. I made C libraries because I WANTED TO do. Nobody can prevent me from creating C library for Menuet, because it's GPLed software.

Anyway, why should I waste time recoding e.g. ogg codec to asm, while it's already written. I don't think it prevents asm programmers from coding their apps. You can select between simple&fast or powerfull&slower.

> I do not know why people do not write inc file for menuet, so they can reuse code.

Because it's hard to maintain them ? C has standard calling convention for all functions, but each asm programmer night want different call&register layouts.
Post 12 Jan 2005, 21:05
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Wildwest



Joined: 13 Sep 2004
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Wildwest
look at this


Description: inc-file for Menuet ;)
Download
Filename: MENUETT.INC
Filesize: 8.76 KB
Downloaded: 892 Time(s)

Post 12 Jan 2005, 23:50
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ASHLEY4



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ASHLEY4
This sort of inc file is OK, but i do not see the point in most of them, as they are not much smaller in size, than the code they replace.

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ASHLEY4.

Batteries not included, Some assembly required.
Post 13 Jan 2005, 04:47
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Ivan Poddubny



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Ivan Poddubny
> Every Programmer can read n understand it's kernel with minimun knowlage

Are you serious? Do YOU understand all that terrible code?

> why are you trying to create C lib for menuet
Don't you like Doom, Quake, DosBox, ScummVM etc. running in such a good OS like MenuetOS???
Post 13 Jan 2005, 08:22
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Madis731



Joined: 25 Sep 2003
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Madis731
I don't think we should have this conversation. The MenuetOS is free operating system so you can do whatever you want with it. This means that you can write your own BASIC interpreter if you want.

NOBODY disallows you writing ASM apps in Windows or Linux ^o)
...
Ivan: Did you know that DOOM was made in ASM?
...
of course you are also free to say your opinion, but please don't tell others to shut up. If we want to make MenuetOS a long-term project - we just might wanna let C/BASIC/Cobol Very Happy programmers in

what do you think?
Post 13 Jan 2005, 09:00
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SPTH



Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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SPTH
Quote:

1. A anti-virus program?

http://spth.host.sk/MenAV1.1.zip

Quote:

> Every Programmer can read n understand it's kernel with minimun knowlage

Are you serious? Do YOU understand all that terrible code?


It's not hard to understand! It's good organized. I'm no high-knowledge asm coder, but even I understand it...

greets, ...
Post 13 Jan 2005, 09:12
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f0dder



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f0dder
Erm, doom made in asm? It was mostly C code, with some texturemapping and floor-ceiling-floodfill stuff in assembly in the original before they released source.
Post 13 Jan 2005, 12:10
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daneel



Joined: 19 May 2004
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daneel
You can program in C/C++ whit the MenuetOS SDK :

http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/guigusgonggg/xms.exe

Its a SFX module. Read Readme.txt first
Post 13 Jan 2005, 13:39
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cmm_asm



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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cmm_asm
I want to get into ASM programming, and I started reading some tutorials, does anyone know what the best tutorial is? I want to maybe start programming an os, but first I need to learn asm. I find most tutorials very confusing.
Post 13 Jan 2005, 14:17
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Dr.X



Joined: 29 Aug 2003
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Dr.X
cmm_asm wrote:
I want to get into ASM programming, and I started reading some tutorials, does anyone know what the best tutorial is? I want to maybe start programming an os, but first I need to learn asm. I find most tutorials very confusing.


Cmm, I'm a beginer too. These are what I am currently reading (in no spacific order):

http://users.easystreet.com/jkirwan/new/x86lrn.html

http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=2530

http://k2pts.home.comcast.net/gbaguy/x86asm.htm

http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=1178&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0



That last one is written by Vid. It's very good if you know nothing about asm. Also, there are others that are very easy to understand but they seem to have escaped me for now. Shocked

-Dr.X
Post 13 Jan 2005, 16:48
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vbVeryBeginner



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vbVeryBeginner
cmm_asm wrote:

I find most tutorials very confusing

this is what actually could help you,imho, if you would able to clear the "confusing", then you would have the knowledge

sincerely,
sulaiman chang
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cmm_asm



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cmm_asm
I will take a look at these tutorials, and I have also found a very extensive tutorial, and I will paste the link. Thanks for the help!! This is the art of assembly book, and on another website--- can't find it, you can download the pdf versons, with extra examples.

http://maven.smith.edu/~thiebaut/ArtOfAssembly/artofasm.html
Post 14 Jan 2005, 14:59
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cmm_asm



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cmm_asm
Another tutorial, for protected mode programming

<url> http://members.tripod.com/protected_mode/ </url>
Post 14 Jan 2005, 15:12
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cmm_asm



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cmm_asm
Post 14 Jan 2005, 15:15
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THEWizardGenius



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THEWizardGenius
I wouldn't try OS development before you try other things...
Post 19 Jan 2005, 01:56
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cmm_asm



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cmm_asm
I have started to read an asm tutorial, and I am actually beginning to understand the concept of SEGMENTS and OFFSETS, this is where I have always got confused in other tutorials. I have been reading a book that was in the IST department of my school. I have understood a lot from this book, and pretty soon I will be making my own programs!!!
Post 19 Jan 2005, 14:57
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gunblade



Joined: 19 Feb 2004
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gunblade
Well,
I dont really see the need in an AV for menuetOS (but thats my view..),
the point someone made that there was viruses, therefore there is a need for AV, is not that truthful.. There are plenty of viruses for linux, and BSD.. yet most linux and bsd users dont have an AV.. thats becuase either 1) their smart enough to not do something stupid which could cause in having the virus install itself (although nowadays, you wonder Rolling Eyes ).. and also becuase the system itself is good enough to be protected against these things (linux doesnt allow auto-execution of files, and there are very little security holes).

About the libc, it can be useful, means porting of some good software can be easily done, only thing i dont want to see is libc integrated into the main menuetOS release (it isnt at the moment, and thats good).. what menuetos should be is: the main menuetOS release is purely assembly, and asm coders only really need that release, then there are addons which coders of other languages (or those who want to use libc with asm), can download seperately and add to their menuetos package.

You should never stop people from making things, whether its useful or not, it allows the person making it to learn more about the language.

Basically.. "If you dont like it, dont use it." and since both libc and the AV are seperate code, you can easily choose not to use it.

And finally.. if you want something made, you can request it, but you cant just tell people to do it, if you really want to see it made, help out.. try and get a group, (or just yourself if your good enough Cool ), and get coding! Smile
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