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JohnFound



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pelaillo wrote:
What about:

1. ahead: assembly helping advocate

2. fresco: Fresh collaborative documentation

3. frisky (no abbreviation here, simply sound and meaningful name)


fresco - I like it Wink it is some kind of renaissance...Leonardo, you know... But actually it is not only for Fresh, at the end the client will support multiply databases with different servers. (even for cooking recipies Very Happy)

frisky - definately no, there is a cat food with very similar name...

ahead - Yes, but "advocate" is a little far-fetched IMHO.

Maybe we simply have to stop to introduce acronims... maybe simply one good name (the meaningfull name is OK, but the acronims are little bit out of fasion IMHO.) Wink

Regards

P.S. If it is not a secret, why your site in not online anymore?
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pelaillo
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JohnFound wrote:
ahead - Yes, but "advocate" is a little far-fetched IMHO.

"Advocate" means "upholder" someone that is in favour of something.

JohnFound wrote:
P.S. If it is not a secret, why your site in not online anymore?


Because I've lost previous one and I am having short access to the internet in order to fix/find one bannerless.
Post 12 Jan 2005, 19:35
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polygon7



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pelaillo wrote:

2. fresco: Fresh collaborative documentation


Hi,
there are a projects with this name (or similar):
http://www.fresco.org/
http://www.freesco.org/

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Post 12 Jan 2005, 23:13
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JohnFound



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polygon7 wrote:
pelaillo wrote:

2. fresco: Fresh collaborative documentation


Hi,
there are a projects with this name (or similar):
http://www.fresco.org/
http://www.freesco.org/


Yea, also AHEAD (Nero). Sad
Is it possible all good names are already reserved??? Very Happy

Regards.
Post 13 Jan 2005, 12:39
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iklin



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Maybe, "Fall", meaning "Fasm it ALL" or something like "waterfall"Smile
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I have the name: Let's make FUD... Fasm Unleashed Documentation
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pelaillo wrote:
I have the name: Let's make FUD... Fasm Unleashed Documentation


M-m-m-m, I am agree. Very Happy
Anyone else???
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JohnFound wrote:
M-m-m-m, I am agree. Very Happy Anyone else???


Oh, I found the what this means... Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD
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Yes, I knew that. Very famous these days.
It is a good time to change the meaning for an acronym...Laughing
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decard



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What about the category structure? Do you have any idea of that?
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decard wrote:
What about the category structure? Do you have any idea of that?


Well, present state is OK with the only problem, that I still have an opinion that items have to be separated with some rarely used characted in order to allow the names of the categories to contains quotes.

Regard
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decard



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well... present state is only a basic draft, could you give an example of more extended tree?

I can separate items by tab character (0x09), what do you think about that? Also, I think to check if the data is valid, there is no need to output any signature - you just have to read HTTP status.
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decard wrote:
well... present state is only a basic draft, could you give an example of more extended tree?


Are you mean the content of the categories tree? Actually I have no any idea about what actually tree have to contain, but IMHO it is not important just now. At first we have to deal with many problems in the design - i.e. to make properly working engine, that to have one standard format and protocol.
Later, the categories tree will be created accordingly with users proposals and needs.

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I can separate items by tab character (0x09), what do you think about that? Also, I think to check if the data is valid, there is no need to output any signature - you just have to read HTTP status.


Agree - tab is a character that easy can be excluded from the content and replaced by spaces.
Please, only make the getcat.php to return separate rows from the table if the client use parameter - for example /getcat.php?id=3
There is no need whole tree to be transmitted all the time.

OK, let see what we have about the protocol:

1. Server side database - MySQL

2. Client side database - SQLite

3. Server side tables:
Code:
table Categories 

ID: integer primary key
ParentID: integer (indexed) ; foreign key for the parent category. If = 0,the category is root.
Title: TEXT
Description: TEXT

table Articles

ArticleID: integer primary key
Category:  integer ; category ID foreign key to ID Categories table
Title: TEXT
Status: integer    ; flags: valid, local, deleted, etc.
 PDate:  integer   ; date/time of the creation.
 Body: ????        ; The format have to be disscussed.
 Next: integer  
    


4. Client side tables - the only difference is that ID's of the client side database will be not "primary key" autogenerated, but will be read from the server database.

5. Protocols and scripts:
5.1. getcat.php?id=idnum
Returns single row from the Categories table in ASCII formar with TAB character separate fields and CR at the end of the row. The fielsd order is:

ID, ParentID, Title, Description

If the id=idnum argument is missing, whole table content will be sended.

5.2. getlist.php - returns list of the article ID's separated with TAB character.
The client will check what articles missing in local database and what are new.

5.3. getarticle.php?id=artid - return an article with given ID. (what format will be used is still not clear)
Returns one row from the Articles table with TAB separated fields and CR at the end of the row.

5.4. postarticle.php -> Get the fields of the article with POST method (the fields are: ID of the article being edited (if 0 - new article), CategoryID, title, body.
The server returns:
ID number, Status field and PDate timestamp, for new posted article or Error code if there is a problem. (not posted articles can be stored in separate "Drafts" table in local database.

For now, the only not clear thing is about data format of the articles: Plain text, WikiStyle text, HTML, RTF, other???

This point is very important for client application, so let clear it and go further.

Regards.
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decard



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JohnFound wrote:
For now, the only not clear thing is about data format of the articles: Plain text, WikiStyle text, HTML, RTF, other???


I would like to use something similar to bbcode - it is easy to parse (just like HTML or RTF Razz ), and for security reasons it is better than HTML. So when user adds some article, the engine just change < and > into &lt; and &gt;. When rendering article, it will change bbcode to equivalent HTML tags (php version), or just render them properly (in case of client application). Lines will be separated with '\n'. What do you think?
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decard wrote:
I would like to use something similar to bbcode - it is easy to parse (just like HTML or RTF Razz ), and for security reasons it is better than HTML. So when user adds some article, the engine just change < and > into &lt; and &gt;. When rendering article, it will change bbcode to equivalent HTML tags (php version), or just render them properly (in case of client application). Lines will be separated with '\n'. What do you think?


It is good variant, but there will be some troubles with offline viewer. Maybe I can try to use RichText control and to parse the code... OK, I will try to type some code... What tags we will support?

My suggestion is:

{b} - bold
{i} - italic
{u} - underline.
{quote} - quote.
{code} - code
{img=} - ??? I don't know - where the images should be stored? The external links are IMHO not a good idea...
{url=} - external link
{link articleID} - link to another article - how should be coded with RichEdit?
{color=nnn} - color
{size=nnn} - font size

"{}" are "[]" actually

Regards.
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f0dder



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JohnFound, why not implement a subset of HTML? That way people don't have to learn new tags, and since you're going to parse the format rather than throw it directly at the user, there won't be any security issues.
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f0dder wrote:
JohnFound, why not implement a subset of HTML? That way people don't have to learn new tags, and since you're going to parse the format rather than throw it directly at the user, there won't be any security issues.


Well, bbCode is almost compatible with HTML - simply replace [] with <> - you have HTML. There are several peculiars, for example with links - because our markup have to link to internal article in the database and external URLs as well. (the same is for the images)...

Regards.
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OK, I am almost ready with the parser/browser. You can download it from here: Thingamy.zip
btw, I changed the name to "Thingamy" - it is strange, funny, but not negative name.

Regards.
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The bbcode used on fasm board is enough to the features we want and keep it *safe*.
Also, having the same syntax could be very useful (immediate postings and other things)
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pelaillo wrote:
The bbcode used on fasm board is enough to the features we want and keep it *safe*.
Also, having the same syntax could be very useful (immediate postings and other things)


Implemented bbCode (maybe you missed my previous post - you can download the first version) is almost compatible with forum bbcode. Any suggestions are welcome.

Regards.
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