i always think about graphical method.
i.e. the method don't need to learn too many knowledges. (:slow learning curve.)

some meaning, i want quite lazy thing.
how can i use my eyes to understand the programming of fasm?
is there common fact in fasm?
sometimes, i dreaming about NI's labview+processor simulator.
http://www.ni.com/labview/
http://www33.brinkster.com/vlaye/software/simuproc/index3.html

why labview?
programming, of course, needs programming knowhow itself, but also, needs the other area(algorithms, specific knowledges to be applied,..)
labview is the good example for the kind of this case.

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Thanks, english is not my 1st language, i think it must be 1st.
Have a high regard.

"fasm's complexity"???

The best feature of FASM is it's simplicity!
"The road to the hell is covered with good intentions"

Regards
John Found

fasm9,

English is not my mother language too,but your statement declaring "it's must be the first" is not a good idea.Every language on our planet has it's own value;we are living in a multi-cultural world.

Fasm is not at all complex.

Hi, Vortex, JohnFound!!

thanks for reply. i am thinking, then,
fasm is too simplicity to understand it's mechanism. i mean simplicity is not just simplicity, to see fasm itself is simply shortened form of machine language, but, it doesn't mean each syntax(here, word not graphic) has consideration for the big picture for the human taste.

do you know how many photons are needed to recognize a photograph? At least, 9.3X10^4 photons!


[below] Exactly, so, i do suggest english as 1st language. if resist, english men will take everything from us! let's look straight ahead a reality of life. almost every technologies/science/computer/documents are written in english, if we aren't familiar with english, we will waste our time again. learning everything in english, and then, reduce/simplify it in our basement.



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PHP+SQL worm is out there.

So you want fasm to assemble 04h,066h instead of add al, 66h?

i don't just understand both. it tell me it's fragmentary thing. in programming, what i have to do, is not a part of some work, is a complete work. what i need is a complete/unified programming approach, and it is (i think) graphical assembling.

I sense some flame coming.

That is not simplicity. Just say that you are looking for some visual tools. Zcoder used to be working on some visual tools if I so remember correctly. But I doubt the community would want their hands into it, since I shall repeat myself time and time again that fasm is an assembler and not a compiler. There is a distinct difference between an assembler and a compiler.

Anyway if you are really interested in graphical tools, maybe you should use other languages and dynamically linked those crucial codes (speed critical codes) - ie coded in fasm (or anyother assembler).

fasm9,

Today,if the English language is popular,that's because of the result
of some historical events.Just I am curious,where are you from? Don't
you have any respect to own your mother language? Still,you insist
on English,I suggest you to read some books about general history.

Since you are reading about quantum mechanics,do you know what
is about the uncertainty principle developed by W. Heisenberg?

Glad all,

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the uncertainty principle: (delta_P)X(delta_X)~h
but i think, in real world, there is more than this.
about english, in my country, all science book's origin is english.
Although, it is translated by my 1st language, it's roughly, one more thing, science/tech family is not welcomed in our political atmosphere..

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i am trying to not using the word "visual", i am using "graphical".
but it also, confused you, i will try to find another word.
anyway i won't link it with any already-exist programming tool.
all of it gave me non-free. and why fasm?
it just stand alone from any of those them.

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PS: flaming? NO. it was Happy moment.

Let me tell you something Fasm9......english is not my first language....but i don't care and i don't need it.....my first language is Spanish and i'm happy with it.....of course you need English to read or understand a lot of the computer books and stuff.....but i doesn't need your 1st.

Thinks are like they are just coz we let them......Let me explain myself.
My homepage can be accessed both in english or spanish, and the program and games that i had developed, and in both lanaguages too.
In fact....my good friend Tommy, develope his own programming language (Viking -out of support for a while) and i translate the last version into Spanish, so all the Spanish speakers in the world, can learn some programming in they're mother languages.

And for a final word, i don't want the other members of this community to sleep with my long...long....long reply
FASM is for so long the best ASM in ever seen.....and i'm a complete newbie in the ASM World, but FASM makes easy an fun to learn.

See ya in da pit,

Glad all,
hi, i will learn english as 1st language, but this is personal.
now, i wouldn't recommend english to others except myself.
(because, they misunderstand my thought.)

but still, asm is written in english, not my 1st language.
modern(1960~2003) computer has english soul..

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Werner Karl Heisenberg's "A Part and The Whole"

Urmm......
So for me, I hate English but can't live without it, don't know why.

English is my 1st. In the USA, its spoken very poorly by most. Dialects galore. The most dificult to understand ( I know. I previously lived there for 12 yrs. It is the dialect of the southern states )

So the real daily usage of conversational English in the USA, is a subset of the language (about 2,000 words ). Most of my friends in Europe that come to visit believe there spoken English is quite good, however their biggest problem is always with the -local-common- (true with any language.) Although Spanish is 2nd most common language in USA. For business here, having Spanish skills is a plus.

One English word that is improperly used by Europeans (from my personal experience with friends ) is the word: *Fine*. Inflection is so important with this word and should be avoided. No matter how kindly you say it, it always sounds like you are being sarcastic. Instead use the word:
*ok*. its not inflection dependant.

I am slowly working on a site that will help non-natives understand fully all of the phrases and quirks of spoken English in the US.

Here is a common phraase in the central to souther US for departing:

*Have a good one*

RobotBob

I was born in Germany but moved to USA when I was three weeks old, so English is my first language. I learned German and French in school, but now I wish I had learned Spanish. It's so much more useful!

Hey RobotBob, you mean "have a good'un!"

Yeah, English is LOADED with idioms and slang expressions. 90% of the time, we don't even realize what we're saying. Like "fat chance": any English speaker knows what it means, but what the heck is a fat chance really??? And then there's "take advantage", "take a leak", "take care", "take down", "take exception", "take heart"... all of which have definite meanings, but cannot be interepreted from the words alone.

1. FASM is so simply that no other asm I've seen. When I've first time try to write anything in FASM I was difficult with procedures. I couldn't find out how it work. Then I've look at this from other side and... I saw that it is so simple. Just like CPU is working it is stright translation. There's no abstraction.
2. English? I would like to know it better. My english is poor but in the Internet I can do some mistakes. For many people from Internet it isn't first language.
The only just language I know is Esperanto.

Gxis!

What are you talking about?
...

Ah ha!, sound like you talk about SCHOOL/suckfool.

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PS: sorry, i can't resist..

Why did you wait over a year to respond?

fasm9, if you don't like the english mnemonics of assembler, you're free to make your own mnemonics. Either make some kind of pre-processor or just

VAMOS EQU MOV

then just code

VAMOS EAX,EBX

Ah! never mind. i recently reading
"Art of UNIX Programming".

someday i will learn assembly,..

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newbies' simple lie ;-)

I think you should wait till you learn assembly before comment on assembly. You are not making sense at times.