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Mike Gonta

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Mike Gonta 21 Aug 2019, 20:49

MHajduk wrote:

I haven't heard of Ideom before, could you tell something more about it? Are you an author (or co-author) of it?

Ideom is a programming language derived from Plain English which was discussed at length on this site here and where the author Gerry Rzeppa gave me permission to do so.
The first version of the-ideom was written and compiled in Plain English.
Ideom is now it's own language and the-ideom is written in Ideom and can compile itself to an x86 Windows command line executable.

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MHajduk

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MHajduk 21 Aug 2019, 21:00

Mike Gonta wrote:

MHajduk wrote:
I haven't heard of Ideom before, could you tell something more about it? Are you an author (or co-author) of it?
Ideom is a programming language derived from Plain English which was discussed at length on this site here and where the author Gerry Rzeppa gave me permission to do so.
The first version of The Ideom was written and compiled in Plain English.
Ideom is now it's own language and The Ideom is written in Ideom and can compile itself to an x86 Windows command line executable.

Great.

Is there a homepage of Ideom? Where we could get a compiler?

21 Aug 2019, 21:00

Mike Gonta

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Mike Gonta 21 Aug 2019, 21:10

MHajduk wrote:

Mike Gonta wrote:

MHajduk wrote:
I haven't heard of Ideom before, could you tell something more about it? Are you an author (or co-author) of it?
Ideom is a programming language derived from Plain English which was discussed at length on this site here and where the author Gerry Rzeppa gave me permission to do so.
The first version of the-ideom was written and compiled in Plain English.
Ideom is now it's own language and the-ideom is written in Ideom and can compile itself to an x86 Windows command line executable.
Great.
Is there a homepage of Ideom? Where we could get a compiler?

https://the-ideom.com

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21 Aug 2019, 21:10

MHajduk

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MHajduk 21 Aug 2019, 21:24

Mike Gonta wrote:

Not yet!
I've been so busy with The Ideom (adding new features, etc.) that I haven't had the chance to work on a site or even an open source at GitHub.
The Ideom, while different, is still very similar to Plain English which can be downloaded at http://osmosian.com/cal-4700.zip

OK. Anyway, it's interesting to get to know that something brand new has been born. Smile

21 Aug 2019, 21:24

MHajduk

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MHajduk 21 Aug 2019, 21:29

BTW, now Ideom is pure ASCII (7-bit). Are there any plans to support UTF-8 in the future? Or it's a basic feature that won't be changed?

21 Aug 2019, 21:29

Mike Gonta

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Mike Gonta 21 Aug 2019, 22:02

MHajduk wrote:

BTW, now Ideom is pure ASCII (7-bit). Are there any plans to support UTF-8 in the future? Or it's a basic feature that won't be changed?

The ascii vs Unicode discussion concerning programming languages is as old as Unicode.
The art/hobby (vs commercial programmer job) is indeed a very small niche and requires a common language in order to be shared (this international member forum being in English is a good example).
One issue would be the "extra work" required to say, parse comments in UTF-8 for example.
A bigger issue is that the-ideom uses simple English grammar rules in order to "know how to compile". Some of these rules include indefinite/definite articles (a, an, some / the) which as I understand it are not present in Slavic languages for example.

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21 Aug 2019, 22:02

MHajduk

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MHajduk 25 Aug 2019, 09:05

Mike Gonta wrote:

The art/hobby (vs commercial programmer job) is indeed a very small niche and requires a common language in order to be shared (this international member forum being in English is a good example).

I see. If Ideom seems to be targeted to small and rather hermetic group of programmers from various countries of origin then English (being a kind of Latin of our times) becomes the most reasonable choice, indeed. Smile

25 Aug 2019, 09:05

Mike Gonta

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Mike Gonta 30 Aug 2019, 22:43

the-ideom is a compiler which employs an optimistic mult-pass approach to directly
generate x86 machine code.
the-ideom can re-compile itself in less than 1 second (on my Celeron NUC) and requires 4 passes to generate the code.
The current size of the executable is 184 KB.

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Mike Gonta 02 Sep 2019, 11:37

fasmg - the hidden backend

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Mike Gonta 02 Sep 2019, 17:09

My humble comment [on comments]

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Melissa 02 Sep 2019, 22:15

You discovered COBOL again Wink

02 Sep 2019, 22:15

Mike Gonta

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Mike Gonta 09 Oct 2019, 19:01

Everything I say is false.

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MHajduk 09 Oct 2019, 20:03

Mike Gonta wrote:

Everything I say is false.

We should avoid sentences that describe themselves their logical values. Otherwise we easily can create a paradox (like in the aforementioned case). Logical value of the given sentence is described with a metalanguage over the language in which the given sentence has been written. Smile

09 Oct 2019, 20:03

Mike Gonta

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Mike Gonta 09 Oct 2019, 20:16

MHajduk wrote:

Mike Gonta wrote:
Everything I say is false.
We should avoid sentences that describe themselves their logical values. Otherwise we easily can create a paradox (like in the aforementioned case). Logical value of the given sentence is described with a metalanguage over the language in which the given sentence has been written.

So in other words ...

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MHajduk

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MHajduk 09 Oct 2019, 20:30

Mike Gonta wrote:

So in other words ...

The sentence determining its logical value is analogical to the "set" that is defined as a "set of all sets" - such a creature cannot exist because the "normal" set cannot be element of itself. Smile

09 Oct 2019, 20:30

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