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revolution
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revolution 07 Jan 2024, 13:30
I note that you have this line 'include "win64a.inc"' but it is not needed. The code doesn't use any of the provided macros. The line can be deleted.
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Mikl___ 07 Jan 2024, 14:00
Thank you revolution!
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MatQuasar 07 Jan 2024, 14:01
Yes, just tested, it worked on my Windows 10. Not sure about Windows 11 though.
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Mikl___ 08 Jan 2024, 08:46
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Not sure about Windows 11 though.

Hi MatQuasar!
What's the matter? Try . . .
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MatQuasar 08 Jan 2024, 09:20
Mikl___ wrote:
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Not sure about Windows 11 though.

Hi MatQuasar!
What's the matter? Try . . .


Hi Mikl___, I am happy with your findings in discovering tiny PE.

However, as bitRAKE had pointed out in his post:
https://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=22804&start=15 (You need to login to view his post as it is in Heap section)

bitRAKE wrote:
On Win11, I don't think PE's smaller than 1K are possible - there is a rigid enforcement of 512 byte file/section alignment. I've been trying all the old methods and so far nothing works.

[fasmg] Here is low-level 64-bit PE, with all the options exposed:
; reduced alignment not supported: Win11
PE.Settings.FileAlignment := 512
PE.Settings.SectionAlignment := 512


I wish to try but I don't have Windows 11. Sad
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MatQuasar 26 Feb 2024, 13:56
Where is the tiny PE example by Mike Gonta, I saw it days ago as separate thread.

It is a 268-byte PE example by Mike Gonta, but I only have chance to try it out today, but the post is gone?
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revolution 26 Feb 2024, 14:14
MatQuasar wrote:
Where is the tiny PE example by Mike Gonta, I saw it days ago as separate thread.

It is a 268-byte PE example by Mike Gonta, but I only have chance to try it out today, but the post is gone?
My guess is that Mike Gonta deleted it.

https://board.flatassembler.net/search.php?search_author=Mike+Gonta
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jochenvnltn 14 Apr 2024, 11:55
I know this is an old thread, but i tried myself to create a manual PE that works on Windows 10.
I came up with the code below, which is a working x64 PE file that displays a MessageBox.
The only thing is that it compiles to 309 bytes which is bigger than the example's showed here.
What can i improve on to make it smaller ? Smile
Code:
format binary as 'exe'
use64
org 0   ; https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/debug/pe-format


MZ_header:

_        dw 'MZ'        ; e_magic
         dw 0           ; e_cblp
         dd 'PE'        ; e_cp, e_crlc  (PE Signature)

File_Header:

         dw 8664h       ; Machine AMD64
         dw 1           ; NumberOfSections
         dd 0           ; TimeDateStamp
         dd 0           ; PointerToSymbolTable
         dd 0           ; NumberOfSymbols
         dw 80h         ; SizeOfOptionalHeader
         dw 3           ; Characteristics

Optional_Header:

         dw 020Bh       ; Magic PE64
         db 9h          ; MajorLinkerVersion
         db 00          ; MinorLinkerVersion
         dd 0           ; SizeOfCode
         dd 0           ; SizeOfInitializedData
         dd 0           ; SizeOfUninitializedData
         dd main        ; AddressOfEntryPoint
         dd 0           ; BaseOfCode
         dq 0x400000    ; ImageBase
         dd 4           ; SectionAlignment
         dd 4           ; FileAlignment
         dw 5,2         ; MajorOperatingSystemVersion & MinorOperatingSystemVersion
         dd 0           ; MajorImageVersion & MinorImageVersion
         dw 5,2         ; MajorSubsystemVersion & MinorSubsystemVersion
         dd 0           ; Win32VersionValue
         dd EOF         ; SizeOfImage
         dd 0           ; SizeOfHeaders
         dd 0           ; CheckSum
         dw 2           ; Subsystem = IMAGE_SUBSYSTEM_WINDOWS_GUI
         dw 0           ; DllCharacteristics
         dq 0x100000    ; SizeOfStackReserve
         dq 0x1000      ; SizeOfStackCommit
         dq 0x100000    ; SizeOfHeapReserve
         dq 0x1000      ; SizeOfHeapCommit
         dd 0           ; LoaderFlags
         dd 2           ; NumberOfRvaAndSizes
         dq 0           ; ExportRVASize
         dd IAT         ; ImportDirectoryRVA
         dd IATSize     ; ImportDirectorySize


Section_Headers:

         dq '.text'     ; Name
         dd 4           ; VirtualSize
         dd main        ; VirtualAddress
         dd EOF - main  ; SizeOfRawData
         dd main        ; PointerToRawData
         dd 0           ; PointerToRelocations
         dd 0           ; PointerToLinenumbers
         dw 0           ; NumberOfRelocations
         dw 0           ; NumberOfLinenumbers
         dd 0xC0000020  ; Characteristics

main:
         push rbp
         mov  rbp, rsp
         mov  rcx, 0
         lea  rdx, [mes]
         lea  r8,  [mes]
         mov  r9,  0
         call qword [MessageBox]
         leave
         ret


 mes db 'Manual PE', 0



User32Table:
MessageBox dq _MessageBox, 0
IAT:
dd 0,0,0,User32DLL,User32Table
dd 0
User32DLL db 'user32',0,0
dw 0
_MessageBox db 0,0,'MessageBoxA'
IATSize = $ - IAT
EOF:
    
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bitRAKE 14 Apr 2024, 14:22
jochenvnltn wrote:
What can i improve on to make it smaller ? Smile
Code:
main:
        xor ecx, ecx
        push rcx
        push rcx
        lea edx, [Section_Headers+1]
        pop r8
        pop r9
        jmp qword [MessageBox]


User32Table:
MessageBox dq _MessageBox
IAT:
dd 0,0,0,User32DLL,User32Table
dd 0
User32DLL db 'user32',0,0
dw 0
_MessageBox db 0,0,'MessageBoxA'
IATSize = $ - IAT
EOF:    
Wink This will probably not work in some environments.

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jochenvnltn 14 Apr 2024, 16:38
@bitRAKE: Okay thanks ! Smile But can the PE get smaller by making modifications to the PE File Structure as it is now ?
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revolution 14 Apr 2024, 17:15
You can interleave the code into the header data. It doesn't have to be separated. Many of the header fields are ignored/unused leaving space for other uses.
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jochenvnltn 14 Apr 2024, 17:47
@revolution : Is this what you mean ? Smile

"The Windows loader expects to find the PE section headers after the optional header. It calculates the address of the first section header by adding SizeOfOptionalHeader to the beginning of the optional header. However, the code that accesses the fields of the optional header never checks its size. We can set SizeOfOptionalHeader to a value smaller than the real size, and move the PE section into the unused space in the optional header."

I don't know how to do that yet without breaking the PE .. Very Happy
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revolution 14 Apr 2024, 18:18
I think that is different. But you can do that also.
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bitRAKE 14 Apr 2024, 19:17
jochenvnltn wrote:
I don't know how to do that yet without breaking the PE .. Very Happy
Later versions of windows add more checks to the loader.

If you want to run the 64-bit version of WinXP, I think a PE under 100 bytes is possible. That OS is a real mess though.

Alternately, you could step through the loader and reverse engineer the exact smallest PE possible.

Perhaps the "dropper" type executables are better because reducing the size is more a matter of making the data compressible rather than shaving bytes. And eventually we want a program that does something more than a message box, but we still want it tiny ... (more size goodness)

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jochenvnltn 18 Apr 2024, 20:48
Can I do a self replicating messagebox instead ? I'll never get to the size you guy's are to achieve in this project and i never got any expedience with 16bit.. What about a self replicating 64bit EXE ?


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bitRAKE 18 Apr 2024, 23:24
I'm not interested.

What do you hope to achieve with these activities?
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jochenvnltn 19 Apr 2024, 13:10
I just wrote it because of the challenge... I never use it for anything it's just part of my code snip collection.. Ill delete my post sorry !
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