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kerr



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Now I hate using China's 360 antivirus software,
I can't accept the disgusting hooliganism.
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

This rogue software automatic installation program in my system,bad bedhavior seriously affected my work .
Occupied most of my memory use , resulting in system crash .T

Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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Don't install any AV. Really.

The AV's are the badware now.

Using your own judgement, and if you are okay with JS then virustotal also, is/are going to be better than any AV IMO.

Just stop installing unneeded crap. Wink
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kerr



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revolution wrote:
Don't install any AV. Really.

The AV's are the badware now.

Using your own judgement, and if you are okay with JS then virustotal also, is/are going to be better than any AV IMO.

Just stop installing unneeded crap. Wink



Yes , I think so , But I Need an open source anti-virus software to ensure that the system is not hurt.

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if you use windows 10, it already came with antivirus, windows security defender cloud submit sample auto default, antivirus,

open source
https://www.clamav.net/
http://www.clamwin.com/

kerr wrote:

to ensure that the system is not hurt

firewall block all application access to internet, allow only those you allow,
update windows,
no pirated cracked software,
Post 19 Jun 2020, 19:55
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sleepsleep wrote:
if you use windows 10, it already came with antivirus, windows security defender cloud submit sample auto default, antivirus,

open source
https://www.clamav.net/
http://www.clamwin.com/

kerr wrote:

to ensure that the system is not hurt

firewall block all application access to internet, allow only those you allow,
update windows,
no pirated cracked software,


This anti-virus software has been used in linux , For windows ,I don't know how effective it is.

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kerr wrote:
... I don't know how effective it is.
For spying and general monitoring of everything you do, AVs are very effective.

For reliably detecting and/or removing non-AV malware, the effectiveness is poor. False positives and false negatives.

You can't trust them. You can't rely upon them. So even if you install one you still have to be vigilant. They provide only a false sense of security, and zero privacy.
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revolution wrote:
kerr wrote:
... I don't know how effective it is.
For spying and general monitoring of everything you do, AVs are very effective.

For reliably detecting and/or removing non-AV malware, the effectiveness is poor. False positives and false negatives.

You can't trust them. You can't rely upon them. So even if you install one you still have to be vigilant. They provide only a false sense of security, and zero privacy.


Yes , it makes sense .
Secretly running in my system takes up a lot of resources ,And also collects personal privacy.
Promote junk advertising. it makes me hate it very much .

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kerr wrote:

This anti-virus software has been used in linux , For windows ,I don't know how effective it is.

you can use it scanning a few viruses, see how the detection rate, but you surely get better result from virustotal.com
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sleepsleep wrote:
kerr wrote:

This anti-virus software has been used in linux , For windows ,I don't know how effective it is.

you can use it scanning a few viruses, see how the detection rate, but you surely get better result from virustotal.com


Thank you for your advice.

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revolution wrote:
kerr wrote:
... I don't know how effective it is.
You can't trust them. You can't rely upon them. So even if you install one you still have to be vigilant. They provide only a false sense of security, and zero privacy.
wait, what?
ClamAV does not respect your privacy?
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guignol wrote:

wait, what?
ClamAV does not respect your privacy?

we don't really know right, until the moment somebody take the source for a particular version, audit, and verify our question,

i still believe, api authorization by category is what i believe, approach to have secure computing,

storage, network, screen, audio, keyboard, touch input, pendrive, usb devices, camera, etc more, r/w in particular folder only,

user must have the ability to control everything,
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ClamAV is owned by Cisco, a commercial company. Ask yourself how they make money from it if the purchase price is $0.00?

You are the product! The "free" things often cost you the most.
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https://github.com/Cisco-Talos/clamav-devel

the code is there for everyone to check, instead of claiming anything,
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sleepsleep wrote:
https://github.com/Cisco-Talos/clamav-devel

the code is there for everyone to check, instead of claiming anything,
Go ahead and check it. We'll wait.

And there is the problem. Almost nobody ever checks. They don't have the time. They don't have the skills. They don't have the knowledge to even know what to look for.
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sleepsleep
your respond is exactly why auditing every version of javascript website is impossible,

so, we disable javascript,

since we can't audit every application, av, and so on, for all above mentioned reasons, we should just stop using computer, http, and so on,
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sleepsleep wrote:
your respond is exactly why auditing every version of javascript website is impossible,
That is different in an important aspect. We can verify a particular version of FireFox because it won't suddenly change. It is possible, although it could take along time and be tedious, but still possible.

With JS, every new page load potentially gives new versions of code to audit. If you spend a few days auditing some JS laden webpage and deem it okay, then more power to you. But then you have to go though it all again for the next page. And then the next page. Repeat ad-nauseam.
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Who we?
And how exactly do you audit it?
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if we look from the pov of code, all code is nothing new, they were just random instructions joined together, the issue is on the authorization to access what, where from what, where,

we can be sure that most, maybe 99%, (guesstimate) will use provided api,

as i said before in my thread, we just need permission level on what can be access, what cannot, then we can solve this issue,

we don't need to audit, except in extreme situation,

i dare to say, this kind of permission level will become norm in coming 10 years,
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