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DimonSoft



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The trick is that it only has critical updates, nothing that might break the system or make ads pop up in random places. AFAICT, the price is not a big deal for an IT specialist, if you know what I mean.
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DimonSoft wrote:
The trick is that it only has critical updates, nothing that might break the system or make ads pop up in random places....
You might be right. But remember that MS also marked the W10 "upgrade" as a critical security update. They have already shown their lack of integrity in that regard.
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LTSC builds do not update to newer version: one has to download new LTSC build whenever major version changes (if we call 1703 and similar digits major version). Anyway, it just works, experience absolutely identical to WinXP but with Win10 UI and internals.
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XP didn't have all the spying. tracking and telemetry. If the W10 LTSC build also excludes that then it might be worth trying. But expensive ....
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i think we could hardly remove anything that we don't really know how they work, we could only firewall the whole connections, svchost.exe and friends need to be contained,

there are enemies in open source and proprietary os,

we need bots that capable to scan everything and recode to our preferences
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One still has to trust somebody. OS developers, bot authors…
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DimonSoft wrote:
One still has to trust somebody. OS developers, bot authors…


this lead me to question how people started to trust g,

and i found it references to this idea, brain washing while they are still kids,

~

all kinds of marketing campaigns are the source of our trust,
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sleepsleep wrote:
all kinds of marketing campaigns are the source of our trust,

Just as a side note: A story about USB floppy drives
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sleepsleep
the latest iso,

https://cloud.mail.ru/public/37Sg/JSMhHUGz2/778_apr_2020/client/

with svf if you need them in other languages,
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You really trust some random website to deliver your W10 ISOs?
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well, there are all kinds of hashes to verify authenticity, nothing to worry,

Get-FileHash your iso file -Algorithm SHA1

https://msdn.rg-adguard.net/public.php?seach=windows+10+april+2020+english&str=25
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As I don't like Win10, I'm thinking about moving to Windows Server that looks cleaner. Besides the price, is there anything I could miss in the Server?

(I don't want to use the Windows Server as a server. I just want to find "better" Windows than Win10.)
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I think Win10 N for Workstations is the one you want.
(Unless you really need the server features.)

FYI: the ISO's can be freely downloaded from Microsoft.
(Locality might make other sources better.)

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MazeGen wrote:
As I don't like Win10, I'm thinking about moving to Windows Server that looks cleaner. Besides the price, is there anything I could miss in the Server?

(I don't want to use the Windows Server as a server. I just want to find "better" Windows than Win10.)


maybe this one,
en_windows_10_iot_enterprise_version_1909_x64_dvd_ca030389.iso

or

en_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_5795bb03.iso

and if your hardware can't really swallow windows 10,

best would be

en_windows_embedded_8.1_industry_pro_with_update_x64_dvd_4065122.iso
en_windows_embedded_8.1_industry_enterprise_with_update_x64_dvd_4065141.iso

i am very interested to try this
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot-core/windows-server

the N and KN version explanation,
https://www.itprotoday.com/windows-10/what-are-windows-10-n-and-kn-editions
Quote:
Due to a ruling for anti-competitive practices by the European Commission in 2004, Microsoft has been forced to maintain special editions for its Windows operating systems. Labeled "N" for Europe and "KN" for Korea, these editions include all the base features of the operating system but without Windows Media Player and related technologies pre-installed. For the Windows 10 editions, this includes Windows Media Player, Music, Video, Voice Recorder and Skype.
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But be aware that all the Windows versions from MS have the inbuilt and unblockable spying and monitoring. Every program you run, every website you visit, and every keystroke you type is send back to MS for analysis. Even the BitLocker key is send back to MS. So say goodbye to privacy. The N versions won't save you from this.
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revolution wrote:
But be aware that all the Windows versions from MS have the inbuilt and unblockable spying and monitoring. Every program you run, every website you visit, and every keystroke you type is send back to MS for analysis. Even the BitLocker key is send back to MS. So say goodbye to privacy. The N versions won't save you from this.

i don't think we got much choice, a customizable firewall is a must now,

or turning into linux or bsd os, which will telemetry too probably in smaller size, lol

last is building hardware from scratch,
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If you have a really good external firewall, and you can set it up really well, then perhaps you can block the MS data stream. Although it will still be tricky to get it working 100%. Any internal firewall is bypassed by the OS because MS decided their data stream is vital and it shouldn't go through anything the lowly user decides to run.

Yeah, I called all of us lowly users, because that is how MS is treating us. Like we are children and have no say in things.
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revolution wrote:

Any internal firewall is bypassed by the OS because MS decided their data stream is vital

any evidence to back up the claim?
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sleepsleep wrote:
revolution wrote:

Any internal firewall is bypassed by the OS because MS decided their data stream is vital

any evidence to back up the claim?
Yes. I can't remember if I posted a link in this thread, but it has been tested. There is still a lot of data that the OS sends to MS, bypassing any locally installed firewall. The OS also uses hardcoded IP addresses, so all attempts at DNS filtering are rendered useless.
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it just we all came to a state that, we can't securely using our computer anymore,
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