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You can't wait to get your hands on one 10TB Helium filled HDD for your monthly income right?
YES! Cool stuff, i want one!
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We'll see how long it lives, i don't mind losing 10TB of data.
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No thanks, i don't want He filled 10TB HDD
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I think i will have an SSD instead.
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Matrix



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Hi Guys, i just read HGST's announcement about their new Helium filled drive for future storage solutions.
It will be all fun when that He gas escapes

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/full_frontal_flash_and_disk_assault_by_hgst/
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Matrix wrote:

It will be all fun when that He gas escapes

LOL

and that would be 10TB of porn in most cases =)
overall, i would say, this is great advancement, because, it will most certainly push default windows os only installation to 100GB full of craps.
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Spinning rust drives have a long history and have well known failure models.

SSDs have a limited lifespan and are still young technology with unknown long term stability and accessability. They are also much more expensive per bit.

But I don't see the benefit of combining them. The lifespan will still be limited by the weakest link, the SSD. The potential extra speed is not worth the extra cost and lower confidence IMO.
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revolution wrote:
Spinning rust drives have a long history and have well known failure models.

SSDs have a limited lifespan and are still young technology with unknown long term stability and accessability. They are also much more expensive per bit.

But I don't see the benefit of combining them. The lifespan will still be limited by the weakest link, the SSD. The potential extra speed is not worth the extra cost and lower confidence IMO.


It all depends on your personal requirements, and i agree with you.

I can present you a real solution for your real life problem:, combine your SSD with your RAM, and maybe add a small battery just in case it needs quicksave,
now you have unlimited number of read/writes, and more than 10000 full hdd restoring. (can be much more because of wear leveling magic)
You might also notice a little speedup when your ram works @ 16GB/s compared to the <300MB/s raw sata2 ssd.

I'd also like to point out that 1 hdd is not hdd. It will fail, the question is when, and how bad.
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Helium gas diffuses through everything fast. Is it a way to program the life of the HDD in order to live not longer than SSDs?
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Matrix wrote:
I can present you a real solution for your real life problem:, combine your SSD with your RAM, and maybe add a small battery just in case it needs quicksave,
now you have unlimited number of read/writes, and more than 10000 full hdd restoring. (can be much more because of wear leveling magic)
You might also notice a little speedup when your ram works @ 16GB/s compared to the <300MB/s raw sata2 ssd.
RAM is expensive and power hungry. And this only addresses the speed aspect, it won't improve reliability or stability.
Matrix wrote:
I'd also like to point out that 1 hdd is not hdd. It will fail, the question is when, and how bad.
That is what backups and redundancy are for.
JohnFound wrote:
Helium gas diffuses through everything fast. Is it a way to program the life of the HDD in order to live not longer than SSDs?
You might be right about that. Previous HDDs were just far too reliable so the manufacturers needed some way to build in obsolescence so we are all forced to buy the latest new shiny thing with go faster stripes. Wink
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revolution wrote:
Matrix wrote:
I can present you a real solution for your real life problem:, combine your SSD with your RAM, and maybe add a small battery just in case it needs quicksave,
now you have unlimited number of read/writes, and more than 10000 full hdd restoring. (can be much more because of wear leveling magic)
You might also notice a little speedup when your ram works @ 16GB/s compared to the <300MB/s raw sata2 ssd.
RAM is expensive and power hungry. And this only addresses the speed aspect, it won't improve reliability or stability.
Matrix wrote:
I'd also like to point out that 1 hdd is not hdd. It will fail, the question is when, and how bad.
That is what backups and redundancy are for.
JohnFound wrote:
Helium gas diffuses through everything fast. Is it a way to program the life of the HDD in order to live not longer than SSDs?
You might be right about that. Previous HDDs were just far too reliable so the manufacturers needed some way to build in obsolescence so we are all forced to buy the latest new shiny thing with go faster stripes. Wink


SSD's are expensive too, and they have limited number of writes, after that, they will not work anymore. They say SSD's can read any amount of data.

if you want redundancy, like storing your work check out ZFS raidz level 3, it checksums data, protects against data rot, saves your work even in case of 3 disk failures,
You might want to use ECC ram too, that is the best you can buy commercially.
There is a solution for redundant servers called Clustering too.
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if the is helium inside, it means it will be light weight... cool
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edfed wrote:
if the is helium inside, it means it will be light weight... cool
But it has extra platters so that might nullify the lighter gas. Anyhow I'd expect only laptops to care about weight so you will have to wait for the 2.5" version.
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For the non scientist readers i would like to note:

Helium will represent about zero air-drag inside the hdd so discs will spin without resistance, this will result in massive amounts of power saving, but as JohnFound mentioned, it will diffuse slowly through anything, so you will have an ice cream without a fridge.

This will also prevent nearly all technicians without super-high tech equipment to take your drive apart, and fix any problems, preventing attempts to recover data.
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Matrix wrote:
This will also prevent nearly all technicians without super-high tech equipment to take your drive apart, and fix any problems, preventing attempts to recover data.
That is what backups and redundancy is for. If someone is relying upon data recovery processes to get back data then it is already too late.
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