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Tyler



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revolution wrote:
But basically if you don't expand the money then there is no room for economic growth. No economic growth means people hoard the money. Money hoarding is a very bad thing. Inflation solves that by making hoarded money worth less and less over time and hence people are encouraged to spend and support the economy. It is a tricky thing to balance properly but when done right things go very well.

You are very mistaken if you think that bankers are simply lining their own pockets. Banks operate under very strict rules. They have to else the economy would collapse like has happened in many countries in the past. I suggest learning more about how the monetary system operates before you get upset about something that is not even true.
Inflation, regardless of amount, benefits the creators or first owners of the new money, by allowing them to spend/loan/use it for nothing (with no cost to them). It gives the creator free profit while also devaluing those holding previously created money and, further, by devaluing the currency, increases prices for everyone. How is this not theft? It would be theft if I did it, or at least the secret service would say it is. Who ordained the central banks and who granted them the right to do so?

Who is to say it is better to spend and support the economy? That's a subjective valuation that should be left to individuals. Or are we sacrificing individual liberty for the greater good?

Economic downturns are inevitable when excessive credit enables over-investment in capitol goods exceeding the spending in consumer goods. To prop this up with even more credit expansion in the form of inflation only prolongs the resolution: the liquidation of the capital goods in which people over-invested.
Post 04 Feb 2014, 05:49
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If you don't trust your government then there is more of a problem than just worrying about how much spending power you have with the money stashed under your mattress. Of course the government benefits by increasing the money supply, that is not in question here. But the government can just tax you anyway so it makes no difference how the gov. makes it's money as long as the gov. keep everything moving along smoothly and not overdoing the inflation and not stagnating the economy either.

But remember that you also benefit from inflation (yes, really), because a strong economy is good for everyone within it. If your gov. screws it all up with corruption and mismanagement then get a new government. Don't make the mistake of blaming the existence of money for all the woes of today, such woes will still exist without money (and more woes will be bestowed upon you if your currency collapses).
Post 04 Feb 2014, 05:59
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Tyler



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I'm not blaming money; I'm blaming Keynesian economics. I'm no socialist. Money (and even fractional reserve banking) is awesome. Nor is my main concern that they are stealing value.

The problem is that all of our current economic policy is based on intervention. They don't keep everything moving smoothly and they aren't stabilizing the market. They're preventing it from stabilizing itself. A thorough explanation of how this works can be found here: http://mises.org/daily/5938/seventeen-years-of-boom-and-bust.
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an extraterrestrial faction is going to attack the main strong points with bunkerbaster rounds of their own. the afterffect will cause great envrionment disasters so it is best for you to create underground protective homes bunker like living cavities inside loose soil or as submarines, the correct targets will be singled out.
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ukraine is like,,, wow, matefkr know better,
idk what shit they are cooking right now,
all the pipes worth more than human lives, and there is no doubt about this!
Post 22 Feb 2014, 13:29
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ya this their thinking.


well. they are cooking a little bit of everything. these middle european things and shee.

Gangsters and police crap an such.

but meh. some sorta gangs. im sure someting must keep the humans heads above ground. if it wouldnt be true then.. humans would long concentrate on something.. something keeps them to see things.. other humans.
Aliens greys if exist have no reason to torment me for instance, etc etc. They understand me, they have thereby also seen my brith and subsequent things.. they have seen many humans they know the possibilities how things turn out.



well, personally as i am here, i am being tormented quite often quite recently by the cia (according to my tubes of truth). but not by the whole cia sort of. at any arte. the middle european things and shee.. they also use radio device sorta.. they are just torment. they also torment Shawn cook, just the same faction.

or they have only made up the character of Shawn cook.

at anyrate i will see for sure.

they have reasons but the reasons are exploit. if there are possibilities overlapping with they tormenting me, many, they torment me for having either met. One reason is a weapon, making me to be a weapon, if the soul of sentient beings such as myself permits hurting others or so, then by tormenting me they try to rule attention of me to hurt or kill others by this weapon, without the use of their mind communication network. the part of the cia is into it. So far it doesnt work as far as i can tell.

other reasons are just a simple practice, of creating exploitable humans for this group so they imagine that the cognitive work i may do in order to solve problems goes unregistered elsewhere and they exploit this work in other smaller companies.

Another reason is just simply keep me down, so separate that i cannot join with those who are angered so the angered is more easily fooled because they are simpleminded.

another possibility if it winds up so, is that if i become influential they still wanna gat a hang of me so they can control the situation (this group).

So i had intention to go and help the rioters with good advices.. so that no damage happens, but i cannot, because they have made me isolated, and i dont have others to trust.

another part is a simple routine most visible to others, that is.. keeping a ratio for people with troubled life so it acts as an influencer of thinking to others, while causing with the long term torment great mental and emotional deformities (while actually more emotional deformities and less cognitive deformities), they keep me away from being trusted by someone else.

Also some others as they look at my situation and how the already present others react to this situation conveys an eduational general idea in the persons own experience set about certain human behaviors (various sort of personality types are influenced in ways).

But luckily to an extent i got the tubes of truth telling, wich sliped past their attention unnoticed (overall 35 cubic centimetar material at least, of important technology capacity).

about this. another thing is they have fun by manipulating others even in tormenting me.
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it is further shown a routine thing to prey on others just like they prey on me, because they dont seem to think much that am i as me the person who would be against them the most influential in this solar system lets just say this? or even just thinking am i a person who can harm them the most in this earth? No they dont think this obviously because it is what they do their way of preying exploiting others similar to another way of exploiting others.
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the strong do what they can and the weak do what they must
Post 23 Feb 2014, 20:06
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KevinN wrote:
the strong do what they can and the weak do what they must


Apparently the strong will control the turf and make the rules:

Here, watch this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGWLsn0iM

With love, from America.
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sleepsleep
and we got no solution,
when the one who suppose to protect you turn evil,
like virus and antivirus software,

group of legal gangsters, bullies,

and we got no solution,
then some smart one created weapon that could destroy mass, virus, H1N7,

no solution, all the bad genes, but the bad genes view the opposite genes as bad too,
it is like talking sense to people who gone crazy, it woudln't works no matter how hard you try.

how human could devolve into such state?
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no. actually. its not neceserily devolution. most animal species are like this. in the wild at least. or i would think. its evolved only just a little bit this is the case instead.some people driving progress while others just utilize whatever technology level they have in a baboon like intelligence state.
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sleepsleep
watching this
inequality for all
http://inequalityforall.com/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2215151/
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A documentary that follows former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich as he looks to raise awareness of the country's widening economic gap.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_for_All
Quote:
Inequality for All is a 2013 documentary film directed by Jacob Kornbluth. The film examines widening income inequality in the United States. The film is presented by American economist, author and professor Robert Reich.[1] The film premiered at the 2013 Sundance Film Festival in the Documentary Competition section,[2] and won a U.S. Documentary Special Jury Award for Achievement in Filmmaking.[3][4]

Reich distills the story through the lens of widening income inequality—currently at historic highs—and explores what effects this increasing gap has not only on the U.S. economy but American democracy itself. At the heart of the film is a simple proposition: What is a good society and what role does the widening income gap play in the deterioration of the nation's economic health?
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sleepsleep
if you have billion and billion of dollars,
why you still need the little bit of mine?

with so much money on the top,
come the capacity to control politic.

abuse their wealth and the fat get fatter

suppose, somebody, should do something with all these shits.

the song featured in this documentary
Dolly Parton - Nine to Five
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwDMFOLIHxU

(better quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaERHs8Q93E
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one thing struck my mind after watching the documentary,
is it possible for an area, a community, a group of people who living in certain place, a targeted group,

to have working economy if let say, the total amount of money inside that economy stayed stagnant let say, at 100 million dollars?

so, i assume, if we let time as a counter, day by day,
there will be growth, but eventually, most of the money will end up in one person, or several person only,

so, power built up in those controllers,
then even if we pump more money into that targeted economy, the whole pump in money will end up faster into those controller.

the solution, that i could think of now, is,
limit how much money a person, a company, could hold,
so the wealth will be spread more evenly,

financial transparency will be enforce to everybody,
all your money in and out will be made transparent to everybody, maybe in a weekly pattern,

is there an economy term for capitalism married with communism?

capimunism?
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sleepsleep
7 billions human with less jobs available in market,
what solution could we get?
automation, robotic, all kinds of high-tech solutions,
human management, issues and etc also a strong factor for elites to choose less human involvement.

assume all jobs could be filled with robot and automation, then what else should these human do? to survive day to day?

the one thing that i could see, probably, what those aliens from other planets look up,

the human creativity,
to create songs, musics, poems, novels, designs, movies, ideas, thoughts, solutions, and etc.
things that automation and robot couldn't do.
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7 billions human with less jobs available in market,
what solution could we get?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f9SZiZ-azU


Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Adam Smith Wealth of Nations, book of Proverbs, Confucious.. there's plenty to be understood on those teachings but most don't want to hear it. Most in the occident, as Carl Jung had said, have some kind of utopian kindergarten fantasy instead of seeing fellow humanbeings as mutually flawed with a natural disadain for those with desires different from our own. Tolerance was once a word that implied there was recognizable fault/evil/error in another. You can tolerate the person and trust they will follow codes of conduct as you yourself do by tolerating and not acting on a will-to-power to dominate them, coerce them, blackmail etc. Don't steal, don't kill, don't bare false witness, don't commit adultery etc. People are tempted to do all these things but in a sophisticated enough culture each can intellectually understand that giving into certain temptations will prevent them from the ability to receive other things they desire. And so one delays gratification, restrains one's self, has self control, tolerates others despite their faults (including ill will), and follows a decent system even though it's not perfect or fulfills every single one of your desires because it's better than the alternatives. I'm not sure how well a free market will work for individuals if individuals cannot restrain themselves to some codes of conduct and are without courage and competence.

So you have necessary cultural conditions, physical capacity and governmental systems (some are said to be too stifling, too unnatural, detrimental etc). Maybe Estonia owes some credit to it's prosperity to nordic work ethic. Not sure Friedman's ideas would have the sake effect in other areas in the balkans and eastern europe.
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how about basic universal income,

http://www.basicincome.org/bien/aboutbasicincome.html

one get a sum of money by doing nothing every month,
so, how would one choose to spend their precious time when they don't have to struggle work in order to live day by day?

the current lifestyle seems so silly and exploiting.

people spend time to pursue physical wealth, and that is never ending road,
people get married without having any idea about marriage,

people live their life not realizing one day they will die, of course, advancement in technology will certainly extend our longevity.

sometime, i asked myself, what is fucking wrong with all human?
maybe am just crazy and insane,..

Laughing

people feel so proud,
wearing clothes which is not designed by them,
driving car and got no fucking knowledge how to repair it,
using computer without having any idea how it works,
shit inside a comfortable toilet and never wondering where their shits gone.

knowledgeable people become no different to slave, how come they de-rank themselves into such a position?

how come people gone into control and more extreme control mode?
bully, killing, exploit,

maybe, i said, maybe,

human got not fucking idea how to define human.
we got no idea how to live on this earth.
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How many will allow themselves to work if all their basic needs are met by guarantee of force of law? How will goods and services be stewarded into circulation with less laborers, traders, mechanics, planners etc? What good is the money without anybody willing to provide services for it?

I've thought it might be cool to be able to opt out of the systems and go live independently. I.E. you ask and demand nothing from society, government etc and therefore it cannot rightfully ask or demand anything from you. But even Diogenes was living in a barrel produced under some kind of capitalistic (personal property rights + trade by agreement etc) system. It seems the most you could do to opt out of whatever governmental and societal system would be to go live in the woods, jungle, desert, or unclaimed plain etc. There you will have to contend with other laws of nature, creatures and so on. You might be able to live well in a situation like that if you can economize well.
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" The Library of Congress, one of the biggest libraries in the world, gathers 5 terabytes a month. The NSA sucks up much, much more."



well then it is realy interesting to note and all wich is taken into account is logically following from corruption and everything will done things were revealed.

people should go bunking.. i am hindered in this efforts by some middle european scum.

there is probably some more to it.

alright.

if the haarp station u live nearby u should note somepopele of a meteor impact.

i told them not sure if they have taken it seriously.
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AsmGuru62 wrote:
When I read it -- I had a feeling of reading a conspiracy theory document.
Not credible IMO.


I often wonder why these things are called theories instead of hypotheses or rumors.
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