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taeyun



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taeyun
if there is no feedback can we flip a light switch?

if you have lose all of your senses(such as visual, touch, pressure),
can you flip a light switch?

flipping a switch is a fact.
so I may say yes, I can flip light switch even if there is no sense feedback.

but what if we add one more condition: no knowledge feedback.
what if no one let you know if you have flipped a light switch.

with the similar sense, assume you are so smart that you made a strong artificial intelligence.
but assume you failed to make feedback system
would this AI be useful?

I am looking forward to your opinion...

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Post 13 Jan 2014, 10:55
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sid123



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Don't think so.
All the activities that we've learnt are either through hearing, touching,
seeing, but there is a possibility something like a guess.
Post 13 Jan 2014, 11:33
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edfed



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in that case, your switch is the schrodinger's cat and you should manage it as a quantum state.

if you have the hability to force the state of the switch, it is more simple.

if you only can toogle this switch, it is a little more difficult, and without any feedback, it is impossible.

maybe i am wrong, but the only way to really have intelligence is to have a feedback.
Post 13 Jan 2014, 13:43
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i was thinking a situation like this,

if let say i claimed, at this area, at my GMT+8 time 11 January 2014, it is raining,

but you could never know if what i claimed is true or false, it could be true, and probably false,

i think the keyword is, verify, there got to be a way or methods to verify anything, but some things that happened at some very long billion trillion ago that after that went through lots of changes, and it lost its method to verify.

then i believe there is a limit as of how much one could verify.
it means, not every truth is obtainable.

by that, i concurred that, no matter how smart AI, there is still a limit of how much it could verify, it could probably based on some sort of probability algo to deduce if that is true or false based on all factors it could gathered.

it is still a better guess compare to guess without counting all factors.
Post 13 Jan 2014, 15:24
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matefkr



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well. u can flip a switch in imagination.
Post 13 Jan 2014, 16:03
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tthsqe



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matefkr



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matefkr
but most important question, can one have orgasmic feelings?
Post 13 Jan 2014, 16:03
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matefkr



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matefkr
even though touch is lost or more precisely touch feedback is lost, still one may experience orgasms.
Post 13 Jan 2014, 16:04
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whakamaru



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whakamaru
can we flip a light switch?
Sure, why not... but will that fix the issue?
Post 13 Jan 2014, 20:15
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matefkr



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matefkr
the possibility of the light switch being flipped in such scenario is 100 person, because i set up further details of the environmetn of this imaginary thing so that the person always flips light switches only the rate of light switching is changed by the movement of person.
Post 14 Jan 2014, 00:38
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revolution
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taeyun wrote:
if you have lose all of your senses(such as visual, touch, pressure),
can you flip a light switch?
If you have no senses then why would you care about light switches? You'd never see the light or feel the heat so why even have a light at all?
Post 14 Jan 2014, 08:48
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