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matefkr



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Here, u should express your superior thoughts.
Post 22 Aug 2013, 08:53
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics

A. Complete informational transparency. There is no concept such as intellectual property - no patents, no secrete corporate/government documents, no personal privacy, etc.

It's important to understand that future technology generally makes these ideas meaningless. And the expenditure of resources in an attempt to maintain such a facade is a great waste.
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Post 22 Aug 2013, 13:35
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So bitRAKE. u are wrong.. in a way. because u have not given full things.
Information transparency is nothing.. technology is nothing.
these can be used for something.. but the something is what matters.
and so alone these information technologies and research might satisfy brain activation need or sort of a need for variance, it doesnt do anything else alone. Also what u say is not enough, because transparency might (without other ethcis) give tools into the hand of one person to damage another.

Transparency alone doesnt work as there is never full transparency (consider the impossibility of checking every information). look now a a baboon troop in the desert. They are quite transparent in front of one another, in a way that they see eachother having sex, eating, fighting, moving around etc.. at least in a smaller troop (the technology if keeping a number of individuals in a troop lets them to be in such a state). they might not read one anothers thoughts but they might express their thoughts.. so the technology of their brains not holding secrets too much makes it possible that there is information transparency.. plus as i say never fully verified is a thing all the time, it doesnt matter much compared if there is a progressive cognitive branch eluding attention all the time (having no transparency is some method when some information or progress eludes attention).
Post 22 Aug 2013, 14:12
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a baboon troop is usually not socialist.
Post 22 Aug 2013, 14:12
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matefkr wrote:
So bitRAKE. u are wrong.. in a way. because u have not given full things.
A am the fool thing. If that is what helps to drive the discussion. The partiality of an idea is not itself a problem. Maybe you are implying that violence will hinder the adoption of (A)? How is distribution related to transparency? How is violence related to transparency? If the tools used to cage a society supersede their ability to circumvent them, then maybe baboons are a good analogy.

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Post 22 Aug 2013, 18:29
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if there is only transparancy.. wich u say other morals might say about violent things still. so its not socialist.
Post 22 Aug 2013, 19:21
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baboons are analogy for somethin perhaps quite a bit transparent, yet violent and not socialist (most baboons at least).

on the other hand i also noted that full transparency is not enough, clearly as in a creative society some lines of development or lines of development of thought can elude attention too.
Post 22 Aug 2013, 19:23
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Post 22 Aug 2013, 19:47
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Post 23 Aug 2013, 02:12
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matefkr



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The venus project is unfortunately full of .. not realy wanting a socialist system just an opprotunity to make it better for self. I dont see a presentend comprehensive education system either... people can make good technology, they just dont care... because they have been thought that most things are based on unfair "competitions" where outside appearance and "family" matters a lot. Would it be fair competition still the same shit.. But when the people are mostly selfish, they are fine, they will not give a shit about those who are for some reason opressed etc etc.. as they dont need the person, and the person might have no capabilities.
Further, the forum community looks like contained at least hundred thousand individuals, from quite some time. tzm is there from 2001 or something. it could already make a adifference visible.. but they might fear eradiccation or attack from outside militaries.. if this is the case they dont present themselves.. end of story.. but in the end they will need military since earth is not the only place in the universe (or they might decide to risk not having it).
so whatever.
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JF on the other hand is presented to have acquired some nice landarea or something on some videoes. i have not looked into it in detail, im not sure wether it is efficient or not.. needed or not, but it seems large and wild to be needed other then a wastefull way of satisfying need for brain activation and need for beauty.

I dont know, them are scammers, or plagued with hordes of "agents" and so forth. either way for my current position.. these both are useless pretty much.
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i believe this 2 hour long video contains no morals.. not much about a socialist system. so please remove this later 3 posts. as its off topic.
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the venus project is one of the great movement available on earth,
at least, they had done their part to drive earth into better state, imo.

people tend to expect a lot, in a sense, i dont want to do anything, but i expect change, that kinda attitude, i expect you got answer to all my questions, step by step and so on.

there are gems inside that 2 hours, of course, when one consider themselves smarter than him, then 2 hours of bullshit is certainly inside one mind before one press the play button.
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Instead of suggesting something new I'm going to recommend something very old.

"be of the same mind, by having the same love, being united in spirit, and having one purpose.  Instead of being motivated by selfish ambition or vanity, each of you should, in humility, be moved to treat one another as more important than yourself.  
Each of you should be concerned not only about your own interests, but about the interests of others as well"

A very simple and reasonable starting point, right?
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yes.
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