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sleepsleep



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sleepsleep
i believe this situation already happened right now,
you are hacked the moment you are online,

all bugs, vulnerabilities, zero day exploits,

the day we continue to use our OS even we knew they are hacked is now, to change mean we need to learn something that totally different compare to what we already knew.

if we cannot explain why this system is secured, we probably cannot explain why this system was hacked.

we been building and making things overly complex
Post 14 Jun 2013, 02:16
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AsmGuru62



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I think you're being a little unreasonable.
No reason to believe that every single PC is hacked.
Post 14 Jun 2013, 03:09
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sleepsleep: Perhaps you can describe what you mean by "hacked". Because I find myself agreeing with AsmGuru62, in that I seriously doubt that every computer system can be hacked instantaneously upon the moment of connection.
Post 14 Jun 2013, 10:04
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sleepsleep
hacked, take over,
perhaps not instantaneously, but it seems our modern os are overly complex with flaws that ultimately will only result machine hacked, compromised and exploited,

how we make sure our systems, network are secured?

i was thinking, if we dont really understand the whole, eg. security thing, are we taking it like faith?
Post 14 Jun 2013, 10:44
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TmX



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sleepsleep wrote:

how we make sure our systems, network are secured?


I'm not an security expert. At least I can install latest security updates Very Happy
Post 14 Jun 2013, 14:02
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AsmGuru62



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I have a subscription for AVG Internet Security -- pay each year around $50.
Since I have it -- 3 years now -- no infection so far.
When I had Free Edition AVG -- got infected all the time (no real-time protection).
Post 14 Jun 2013, 15:02
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AsmGuru62 wrote:
I have a subscription for AVG Internet Security -- pay each year around $50.
Since I have it -- 3 years now -- no infection so far.
When I had Free Edition AVG -- got infected all the time (no real-time protection).


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$50 for what ?

I don't use AVs anymore but I'd recommend Avast.

So I think the Free Edition infects you so that you decide to go for the premium and that way they cow money out of your "fat" pockets.

Shiiit... AVs are so outdated. Visiting too many porn sites he!?
Post 14 Jun 2013, 22:58
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I lost my HDD once due to Free AVG.
$50 on my salary is peanuts.
Post 14 Jun 2013, 23:04
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AsmGuru62 wrote:
I lost my HDD once due to Free AVG.
$50 on my salary is peanuts.


Well, I'm sure MR. YONG would want a handful of some of them peanuts you talk of. Wink
Post 14 Jun 2013, 23:20
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sleepsleep wrote:
we been building and making things overly complex
Is it possible that assumptions have been made regarding the evolution of a system, and complexity's role.

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typedef wrote:
AsmGuru62 wrote:
I lost my HDD once due to Free AVG.
$50 on my salary is peanuts.


Well, I'm sure MR. YONG would want a handful of some of them peanuts you talk of. Wink
Well, I am afraid that you can't transfer peanuts to my PayPal account. Can you? Rolling Eyes Wink
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AsmGuru62 wrote:
When I had Free Edition AVG -- got infected all the time (no real-time protection).
I have been using the free edition of AVG for a couple of years. There has been no infection so far despite the fact that I do lots of wireless web-surfing. Wink
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bitRAKE wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
we been building and making things overly complex
Is it possible that assumptions have been made regarding the evolution of a system, and complexity's role.


maybe, but dont we all (maybe) find that we got not much idea bout this whole thing except we taking them all like how we deal with faith?

and i dont think that is good progress imo,
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sleepsleep
YONG wrote:
AsmGuru62 wrote:
When I had Free Edition AVG -- got infected all the time (no real-time protection).
I have been using the free edition of AVG for a couple of years. There has been no infection so far despite the fact that I do lots of wireless web-surfing. Wink


isnt those antivirus softwares == viruses itself? Laughing
they scanned all our files, but does they report back our information to parent company?

my approach is, less software = less possible exploits

and mini tools to do certain stuff is better than one big tool that do lots of stuffs.

this whole digital stuffs are so scary,
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sleepsleep wrote:
this whole digital stuffs are so scary,


Last time I went underground there was a guy working on a possible chipset rootkit.
Post 15 Jun 2013, 08:46
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OzzY



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Just use Linux. No AV required.

Hell, even on Windows 7 if you're careful and don't login with an admin account it's pretty safe.
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well. there is enormous bloat in windows. on the other hand, one can use large bloating to make it more difficult for a person to modify core system files, so then anyone wanting to modify the os for selfish purpose would recquire to reverse engineeer a LOT of code.. because lots of code checks up on the other code and an another code etc etc, and if only one is modified it would cause instant detection.

On the other hand, someone might just identify some functional parts, and rip these out along with some similar grafics and sell it as windows xp.. possible.

one can trust assembly written os-es reasonably, with very little bloat and very little compiler and very little things. still there is the hardware.

so there is possibility. Open source linux is also waaay too much bloated.. and again.. one might just rip out some functional parts wich suffice, and replicate some bloat and replicate outside appearance. it can be hacked, even from software.

hardware can be hacked too. keyboards can be hacked tooo.

so yeah, use whatever u can to get your paycheck wich u are satisfied with (option number one) and dont care actually how much paycheck your work provider gets for making u do the work, and dont care what this thing is used for.. or what the income is turned into. Is there a perfect world for mammals at least (or for things wich are likely sentient?) not realy, in theory is it possible with current technology, would the mindset of people be right?.. If so, then something corrupt with mindset quite probably.. but usually it is visible (sometimes people are surrounded with people in a way that one sees others as kinds, having so much fun together whatever.. and these positive emotions makes them see these as good people.. and some other conditioning might make these people look at others who are not fortunate as someone lazy or whatever)


One shouldnt look at security issues without leaving human part out, and without taking into account verifiability.

G, well actually, i have been tortured psychologically at least my whole life so to speak, it was more apparent or more frequent from 11-12 years old time thingy.. and actually i even got damaged and actually some criminals even followed me (grown ups, using tools of grown ups behaving like highschool bullies.. they probably were, at least two bullies have been applied into police department.. and police and criminals receive more tools here, compared to civilians [civilians for example are punished for holding weapons, unless they are hunters or something.. wich is a sort of criminal).

So anyway...
i notice some people tend to guess or estimate goodness of people based on their own emotions towards people who surround them, while in fact many have bad thigns right in front of them wich are technologically very easy to resolve, but they dismiss the problem as a problem of "system" and blame perhaps the person who have this problem.

Actually they dont let me sleep, they cause noise, fire some explosives as i dont have anyone around to trust when i am sleeping, or etc etc. This is because, they WANT TO TORTURE at least some individuals and it is only possible if they are in check of anyone, but many others are not in check of them (although many people have the same personality like as these secret criminals.. so whatever).

For example they could have made my life heaven, but they used their efforts to cause pain, a lot of pain in my life. in fact they even caused a head injury to me, wich had horrible effects on me for 8 month continiously, each night or during the day at some point i felt like choking as i would drool like hell. I want to live for the Forreign Legion.. now they fear this, because they fear they are discovered, they dont have influence over France.. so they fired a gun or exploded some larger firecracker outside.. or whatever.
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