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sleepsleep
i am thinking if we should eat less animals,
eat more fruits or vegetables.
Post 21 Mar 2013, 23:03
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sleepsleep wrote:
i am thinking if we should eat less animals,
eat more fruits or vegetables.
Why?
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Post 22 Mar 2013, 00:21
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I like to eat apple.
Post 22 Mar 2013, 04:46
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TmX



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Not a vegan, but I'm trying to eat less certain types of meat (e.g beef, pork)
because they are source of bad fat.
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I only eat meat grown in a laboratory*, and bacon. Less of the later and more of the former as time passes it seems.

Unfortunately, I am a creature of habit and was raised on meat. Having lived on a couple farms and killed livestock - it can be done responsibly and respectfully. Not on the mass market level, though.

* Don't have access to lab meat, yet. Very Happy
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sleepsleep
revolution wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
i am thinking if we should eat less animals,
eat more fruits or vegetables.
Why?


idk why, revolution,
i dont want to hurt others, the because i need to eat, otherwise i die, then animals must be killed,

if science can mutate us into living and no need eating, i think that is good.

suffering, the animals suffers, chicken, fish, cow, pig, duck, dogs, cat, monkey, why should they suffer?

why should fish gets cook alive? i mean, why???

why should ants get killed because u didnt keep ur sugar in good place?

then they trapped the rat and showcase it under hot sun because the rat eat some of their stuff,

i am thinking, are we bully bullier? if we cannot love the low level animals, how something higher than us can love us?

and we start talking bout love, compassion, and we turn blind eye to every sickening acts,

jesus love u very much, and the lamb smells good,

we are here for a 80 years or 100, we could try learning love and compassion to get peace, it might worth it,
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HaHaAnonymous wrote:
revolution wrote:
Why?
Because there are other sources of protein.
But that is not a reason. That is like saying I don't look at the colour blue because there are other colours to look at.
HaHaAnonymous wrote:
I dislike meat.
Aha, there is the reason.
Post 22 Mar 2013, 21:25
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TmX



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sleepsleep wrote:

if science can mutate us into living and no need eating, i think that is good.


Humans can do photosynthesis, for example?
That's cool, I think.
And by the time the scientists achieved it, hopefully I'm still alive so I can see the result Smile
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Humans evolved for last couple of million years and they were eating meat.
Defying nature (being a vegan) is not a good idea, I think.
In fact, it may cause some health issues, shorten our lives, etc.
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sleepsleep
the technology is evolve, human,
maybe slaving 8 to 5 is evolution i guess.

idk, it is good and important to have good health,

but, are we committing daily suffering towards animals? chicken, cow, duck, fish, should evolution make us aware of their suffering?

if there is no pain, no suffer, what are they? idk.
is it sane to know, to cause and to watch another conscious suffer?
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Do plants suffer?

If we cannot see suffering it doesn't exist?

Do we anthropomorphise animals/plants beyond the reality of it?

We can see the intelligence of animals. Which basically means that it exists within the measurable spacetime we have explored. To me trees seem intelligent, too. Processing over much greater time scales than we are accustom to, and requiring measurements through several of our lifetimes.
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sleepsleep
bitRAKE wrote:

Do plants suffer?

idk,

if i cant see doesnt mean it doesnt exists. yes i agree,
but animal suffering is real, plant suffering could be real too, but idk,
Post 24 Mar 2013, 23:08
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Hullo,

I'm a vegan and a Christian. I don't think the two are incompatible. I don't think it is wrong to eat animals but it's objectively wrong to torture them - and most animals eaten today are kept under conditions of torture. Taking the example of ducks, someone recently asked me why I don't eat them, and I was lost for an answer, but some googling revealed that 90% of the ducks eaten in my country have never seen a pond. It is just common sense that ducks need ponds and deprived of ponds they will experience distress.

There is a prophecy in Isaiah of a future world where all forms of cruelty by and towards people and animals are gone forever:

The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling[a] together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.

So in my mind I'm just starting early. Smile

Ofc in a world with suffering it's impossible to be harmless - even growing vegetables kills insects. Another example (IIRC) of how vegans contribute to suffering is that blood from slaughter houses is used to fertilise fields. Still, the highest thing a human being can aspire to is harmlessness - who cares if it's impossible?

Do animals have feelings? I think we can intuit that from their faces, noises and behaviour (particularly with mammals). Some people will always reduce animals to automata, but then some people practice reductionism with other people too... They just keep quiet about it because it's less socially acceptable. The story of the 20th century is a story of reductionism.
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i think so. it is possible to eat all necessery things even for body builders if they eat soy protein.. some grains, milk and eggs, some vitamins, and some mockmeat of sort wich have good digestibility.
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