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sleepsleep
if then else,

zillion trillion trillion trillion trillion if then else

what cause this thought, because if then else,

multi zillion threads running concurrently inside us,

how are we different from a program?

any conscious object, even creator would suffer from this loop, is creator a program too? what bout creator of creator and never ending loop.

maybe the existence of idea if then else is more greater than we could ponder.
Post 20 Feb 2013, 20:18
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If it is a never ending loop, when did the loop begin, and what caused it to begin?

What came first, chicken or the egg, creator or the computer?

Are computers still stupid as dogs or are they really designed?

If some computers are not designed, why not call it an inevitable clump of matter with bieffects similar to that of a computer?

The problem with the cosmic computer idea is probably that you can compare any event to that of a computer, but none of them are like that of a computer. Once you realize that anything can be compared to a computer, you can understand and appreciate the great need to separate computers and reality.

Because, you can compare a rock to a computer too, a bird to a computer, you can even compare a glass of wine to a computer. Once you realize that any logical event can be compared to a computer, yet are not even close to being that of a computer, you understand that we need to rule out the computer idea.

Computers work on top of reality, on top of natural laws, and you are trying to suggest that natural laws is also a computer. If that were the case, then the cosmos would he the real computer and the computer you have in your home would be a java-type commputer, a simulated computer, which gives reason to believe you can't possibly know what a real computer even is, if your home computer is a simulated computer running inside the cosmic computer, then you don't know what a real computer is, how can you suggest the universe is ruled by a computer when you don't know what a computer is.

Computers are designed to compute. Natural laws are not designed to compute, but they may give away side effects that can be reduced to a computational measurement, its a huge difference.

Computers are tiny boxes with little chips designed to "navigate" electric pulses around in different gates, thats about it. Nothing magic about it, and modern high performance electric computers is a very new concept, it is not that old. In our time it is an amazing concept, but computers will continue to advance, and in the far future ahead when and if computers will really advance, perhaps it will become even greater (fundamentally), let's say they will call future computers for computerX due to some fundamental and radical change to how they work, then people in the future will try to suggest the universe is governed by computerX (not computers anymore)

So the whole problem boils down to that people seem to want to relate modern technology with something intelligent, little do they realize there are yet more modern technology to come

There is absolutely nothing new about modern electric computers, computers are logical machines, and we humans are also capable of logic, the only real difference is that electric computers can compute logical comparisons at greater speed. So basically there is no real difference between the capability of a computer and a human being. The only valuable argument that the universe is ruled by a computer is because of its great speed. But the truth is no modern electric computer is capable of computing all natural elements at cosmic numbers yet, so why compare the universe with a computer when no computer is yet capable of computing such vast numbers. You would have to take the concept of a computer and then make fantasies of an ultimate super computer which yet does not exist. Then why don't you just fantasize of something completely different of "super" quality (and when you make that fantasy, it would be something better than a computer, and not a computer), it would be the same thing. There are no reasons to give the universe a computer characteristic.

You will always need x+y amount of atoms to make up a logical gate for a computer, but when you get down to the level of atoms itself, you are left with only x, which cannot possibly make up a logical gate at all, you can't use a single atom to calculate anything in itself, nor did a computer create the atom to serve itself.

To complicate this further to a philosophical level, if you can separate theories with no good answers based on different lifestyles of people, chances are high that both groups are wrong.

Because, if you ask a girl in a cafeteria if she thinks the universe is controlled by a computer, she will laugh and say no (in a ridiculous way), if you ask the same question to a computer freak who spend 23 hours a day in front of a computer, he may be more likely to say yes. You see, we can separate the two different answers based on what hobbies these two people have. This is where if you can rule out different answers based on the lifestyle of the people given the answers, chances are that both are wrong.

My conclusion is very simple: We all like computers, computers are powerful, but that does not give us authority to imagine something a bit more powerful than computers, and then call it computers. If it is a bit more powerful than a computer, you have to admit that a bit means it have to be different than computers, there have to be something that makes up that bit.
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A wise forum member already proposed such an idea a long time ago:

http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=80683#80683

Wink
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sleepsleep
that is whole lot long post nmake,

i started to see myself as a program, the whole consciousness thing is because there are billions of concurrent thread running if then else,

when we start to input signals directly into brain, what is reality?

when all vision, hearing, smelling, touching signals get into brain directly, and we all aware that, that must happen in future

the combination of those signals give us a false sense of reality.
Post 21 Feb 2013, 11:20
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We also use our senses to evaluate signals, if we can't perceive reality but pretend to perceive what signals are, something is not right Smile

What are signals, really. If our senses tell us that reality is fake and signals is magic, perhaps our senses is reversing reality, what if signals is reality and what we perceive are really the signals?

he-he.
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sleepsleep
idk, but things seem fake in one sense if you ask me.
once we hack the brain signals, everything would be just signals.

sense of exists is part of if then else loop program,
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