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hopcode



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yeap, the puppy is nice and funny Smile
then browsed the archive, allow me to say that i find extraordinary subject the boy sitting with airplane in the right hand and looking into the void. the subject there is psycologically involving. cool ! why you didnt go that way, and even murales for that ? is there any reason ?

i share now something really interesting for me, Jesse Treviño's murales,
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/T/trevino.html
i dont go into details but i find your subject deserving murales-enlarged-room.

ok.
the sculptures you sold (and those in oven) have the same impact of the output of your drawing app:
simple, accessible,understandable. you may think to set a little expò in the garden of your house. people look at them under an anti-rain-tent at each come-n-go (and carefully the light on them to be adapted even all night long) then doing thousands of them and note please, in collection and serially, i am sure you would have mathemathically lot, but lot of possibilities to earn of your own from them.

you apply a price on them calculated this way: 33/10 .
10 is what you spend time/material/etc, 33 is money you get back.

Cheers,
Very Happy

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Post 21 Feb 2013, 15:24
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malpolud



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As previously mentioned I have nothing against you.

If you want to work as a programmer you really need to be humble. No one will want to cooperate with you if you call him dumb. Even if you are a programming genius, you are worthless to the employer if you can't listen and execute orders or use your work-buddies ideas.

I am sure with your skills you could make huge money, just by applying this advice.

Yes me and my buddies made a vehicle for international Shell Eco Marathon. We were third in our category (urban diesel) with just about 12k PLN (equals to less than 4000$) of budget. The money were spent for materials and transport to Holland. The team that won in our category spent 100000$ just for the vehicle body (don't know what their entire budget was). This proves that with good will and hard work (there were a couple of days we worked from 8am to 3am - yes up to 20 hours continuously) you can do anything you want. Now I no longer contribute to this project as I work as an embedded software engineer at a company that makes electric vehicles.

I wish you the best and hope you will be well paid for your hard work.
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hopcode



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well, i wrote the lexer on uart's ML. videoclip+musik.
enjoy
cheers,
Very Happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjKOBqoyktM

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uart, maybe genius usually more extreme, idk,
but who cares... =) lol,

maybe you been humble for so many years and people keep on fucking you, idk your story, lol,



ah, nothing is impossible, =)
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KevinN



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Thanks uart. I gotta disagree with the harsh words about johnfound though..hes contributed pretty good stuff in my estimate (im no expert though)
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uart777



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Post 25 Feb 2013, 17:24
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nmake



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Well it isn't "exactly assembly language", it is true what he says. And I think I recall in a different thread of yours that you said your code is some sort of "micro compiler", so you basically agree with JohnFound yourself. Why do you disagree with him when you're saying yourself that your code acts like some sort of micro compiler? Smile

If you act like a free-producing code fabric and put out code more efficiently than a conveyor belt can do, at no extra charge. People will never be able to know when you are being nice or when you demand respect for your work. It's a complete trade off.

There is a fine difference between contributing and just wanting to show off. I think that people can see through the window here. Some people claim to contribute when they are really just showing off. It's okay to show off from time to time, but if you make it a showoff-fabrication on a day to day basis, this is where things gets worse.

It's like:

Here, take 100 dollars.
Thank you.
Here, take another 100 dollars.
Thank you.
Never forget, I am a free producing money factory, take 1000 dollars.
Thank you.
Take a million more.
Thank you.

When contribution goes from "very useful" toward "too often", people shift focus from benefiting the contribution to criticizing it, take it for granted. People don't want all your source files on your local harddrive, they want to create their own code. There is a reason people like to do their own assembly programming. People want small significant contributions from everyone. Wink

I'm just trying to help. You demand worship, you want people to worship your code, and when it is posted it feels enforced right up in the face with capital letters, shouting at volumes that have not been invented yet.

Let me put up a thought of challenge to you. If everyone on the forum posted complete programs instead of code snippets, would the forum become manageable? Very Happy

Second challenge to you:
Are you including forum members to participate in debate when you post complete programs or are you excluding them? If you post small code snippets instead of complete programs, are you including them then?

And one last challenge to you: Make the tiniest piece of code you can produce, I mean the tiniest piece of code you can think of, that is extremely significant and useful, then post that as your next contribution. If you can succeed in that challenge, it's a small step for you and a huge step for mankind. True credibility, true respect comes from the details, not from vastness.
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uart777



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Good questions.
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Well it isn't "exactly assembly language", it is true what he says
* Never claimed it was. John has been saying "it's not ASM" (but his IS) for the last 5+ months since I posted my old outdated website. Here it is: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=147150
* John's code is NOT real ASM, either. As one who studies assembler/compiler internals, I know what real ASM is with pure labels and directives (db, include). John seems to have forgotten. You may look at his code and say "it's basically ASM because it uses some instructions" (so does mine, just not much in main source files), but John's macros are a bad attempt at creating a HL compiler with OOP and OS-specific controls
* Z77 IS FASM! But I can't call it "Flat"
* I write pure ASM, too, mostly from about 1996'-2009', in TASM, MASM, FASM, BC++ 3.1 inline. MMX memory copy I wrote: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=15093 Here, I represent a different perspective, something unique.

What is "Assembly Language"? Any human readable version of machine code. Who defines the standard? Intel or us? When viewing a linear sequence of machine code bytes in a hex editor (example: HexDen), whether you see one instruction or multiple is a matter of perception. And there are dividing opcode prefixes (repeat, operand/address size override, lock) and instructions like stosd that consist of several smaller ones: let edi=[p], eax=[v], ecx=[n], ecx/4 @@: let [edi]=eax, edi+4, ecx--, jnz @b. Where do you draw the lines between them? Smile

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And I think I recall in a different thread of yours that you said your code is some sort of "micro compiler"...
Yes, I have always described it as a "mini compiler within FASM", "New-Age ASM", "HL ASM", "Future ASM" (whatever name sticks), everything BUT "real ASM". John is the one who claims his HL macros are REAL ASM, NOT me!

Why is it any type of ASM? 1. You must know ASM in order to use it. 2. It generates instructions indirectly using an assembler.

What is HL ASM? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_assembler

PL360 is the first HL Assembler ever created in 1968: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL360

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People don't want all your source files on your local harddrive, they want to create their own code.
Biggest misconception ever. For the 10,000th time, I have never recommended that anyone use my code directly, not in the way you're thinking. Only for ideas, algorithms, inspiration, testing, playing with variables. I have always encouraged people to write code however they want.

All of my source files? 1. What I've presented is only a small percentage of what I have, but I don't have time to keep coming here. 2. LANGUAGE.INC and TEXT.INC should be standalone and work in other OSs with slight editing and I would love to see a minimal example of this in Linux, Menuet, etc.

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If you act like a free-producing code fabric and put out code more efficiently than a conveyor belt can do...
1. Never claimed that my code was perfect and am constantly self-critisizing it and thinking it's never good enough. I don't need John's help with this. His advice is "Just give up, don't do that".

2. False analogy with personal arguments. I would be excited to see what other programmers can do with my code.

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Let me put up a thought of challenge to you.
I don't have time to answer your first 2 questions (they are not "challenges"). If one rejects something based on how it's presented or advertised - and not judge code by its content/quality - then they'll accept anything that is "sold" to them; example, a placebo pill, fake gold dust, holy water.

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Make the tiniest piece of code you can produce, I mean the tiniest piece of code you can think of, that is extremely significant and useful, then post that as your next contribution.
I have made several small contributions in the past under different usernames (lost/changed e-mails). For example, I posted the first manual EXE template 7 years ago: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=5616. This was significant to me and it has been duplicated several times. Never said much until recently.
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People want small significant contributions from everyone
I respect everyone who makes a contribution, no how matter big or small.
Post 26 Feb 2013, 12:24
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TmX



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uart777 wrote:
For the 10,000th time, I have never recommended that anyone use my code directly, not in the way you're thinking. Only for ideas, algorithms, inspiration, testing, playing with variables. I have always encouraged people to write code however they want.


Hi uart,

As you said, you provide ideas, algorithms, inspirations, etc in general.
I'm sure you don't mind if I tweak your library a bit.

I'd like the z77 library to be able to use native OS "look and feel", and not it's own theme. So when I run it on Linux or Windows, for example,
it well be displayed properly as a Linux or Windows app.

So I just take a look at your codes, and it's very confusing, especially because you don't provide documentation.
After some glancing, it seems that I need to modify box.inc, interface.inc, draw.inc, and... what else?

A little help/hint, maybe? Smile
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malpolud



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Never mind. You provided some great stuff, hope that in a couple of years thanks to people like you I can share some unique and inspirational code as well.

Keep programming.
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