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sleepsleep
i guess most of you heard about the tragic gun shootings,

it is very negative experience, and i doubt anyone here wish for that kinda of experience.

then i figure out one fact,

people who believe jesus dead and raise up, momed went to 7 skies and met allah, moses cut the red sea and more, they actually reach the same craziness level like the shooter.

and those who believe heaven, hell, and more craziness, they are just in the same group like those jihadis, shooter,

what more you couldn't and wouldn't believe, if you have already put your faith into religion absurdities.

then you got a dream from jesus, yahweh, allah or whatever deep shits that pops up into your head, ask you to kill everybody in school..

they shouldn't ban gun, they should just ban religion
Post 18 Dec 2012, 17:03
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I doubt that shooter was into any religion.
Post 18 Dec 2012, 17:26
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sleepsleep
well, maybe, but i have no doubt they reach the same level of craziness,
Post 18 Dec 2012, 17:58
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Religion is mostly indeed a pile load of crap but there are interesting things.. such that "Jesus told, that love your fellow humans as etc etc" thsi sounds good. Yet people more often concentrate on the burn in hell part of this thing and on the jesus was sacreficed as a human sacrefice ,and such then concentrating on things. however i dont meet many people.
Post 18 Dec 2012, 19:36
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Guns are not the problem, religion is not the problem. PEOPLE are the problem.

It's such a shame that no-one accepts who for you are anymore, everyone judges you for who you are, everyone frowns on your choices because that's not how they think you should do it, or because that will kill you, or because some old man that didn't understand our generation thought it was evil and should be illegal.

Everyone some fucked up brain washed idea of how things should work, and everyone that has their own idea is bashed into this flawed assimilation.

It's enough to push a man off the cliff of sanity, really.
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The man must be able to ignore things like opinions of other people.
Post 18 Dec 2012, 21:55
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Coty wrote:
PEOPLE are the problem.


I think Michael Moore made interesting points about it
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1. We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty.

Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. It's invasion as foreign policy. Sure there's Iraq and Afghanistan – but we've been invaders since we "conquered the wild west" and now we're hooked so bad we don't even know where to invade (bin Laden wasn't hiding in Afghanistan, he was in Pakistan) or what to invade for (Saddam had zero weapons of mass destruction and nothing to do with 9/11). We send our lower classes off to do the killing, and the rest of us who don't have a loved one over there don't spend a single minute of any given day thinking about the carnage. And now we send in remote pilotless planes to kill, planes that are being controlled by faceless men in a lush, air conditioned studio in suburban Las Vegas. It is madness.

2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. What are we so afraid of that we need to have 300 million guns in our homes? Who do we think is going to hurt us? Why are most of these guns in white suburban and rural homes? Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem (again, #1 in the industrialized world) and then maybe there would be fewer frustrated, frightened, angry people reaching for the gun in the drawer. Maybe we would take better care of each other (here's a good example of what I mean).

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/its-guns-we-all-know-its-not-really-guns
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sleepsleep wrote:
i guess most of you heard about the tragic gun shootings,

it is very negative experience, and i doubt anyone here wish for that kinda of experience.

then i figure out one fact,

people who believe jesus dead and raise up, momed went to 7 skies and met allah, moses cut the red sea and more, they actually reach the same craziness level like the shooter.

and those who believe heaven, hell, and more craziness, they are just in the same group like those jihadis, shooter,

what more you couldn't and wouldn't believe, if you have already put your faith into religion absurdities.

then you got a dream from jesus, yahweh, allah or whatever deep shits that pops up into your head, ask you to kill everybody in school..

they shouldn't ban gun, they should just ban religion


The Ten Commandments forbid anger, violence, theft, envy, lust, adultery, and similar things that all lead to destruction. That's the whole point. This is why private revelations are rarely acknowledged, most are just bunk because anything that contradicts the Ten Commandments is false (or sometimes evil).

If you don't hate, steal, maul, slander, etc. anybody, you can't kill them either because your heart is clean. It's only when pride (arrogance) comes into play that things get dangerous. Nobody is better than anyone else, and life is indeed sacred, not something to be taken away. (Remember Cain and Abel? God was officially "angry" that His creation was majorly disrupted. A father hates to see his children hurt.)

Love your enemies
Beatitudes

Meek, righteous, merciful, pure, peacemakers ... these are the ones who do God's will, not those who go around persecuting or hurting others.
Post 19 Dec 2012, 20:38
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The Commandments are for the old ages.
When society reaches very high technology -- it will automatically mean the very high quality people.

I read few sci-fi novels where this was depicted in a very cool way.
No adultery or envy. All is free.
Post 19 Dec 2012, 21:30
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These killings keep on happening because the socially irresponsible powers that be deem it right to keep mentally unstable people free to roam in society and forbid law-abiding citizens to carry weapons in certain places that eventually become exposed and vulnerable to attacks by criminals or the criminally insane.
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ManOfSteel wrote:
mentally unstable


Yep. Rolling Eyes

This is what it all ends to. They end up saying the person was mentally ill or some shits.

If you recall that guy who shot Gabrielle Giffords, the same thing was spoken of him too. "He was mentally effed up"

I just hate to see kids die or any innocent person that can't defend for themselves.

This country man.

Justice system is also trash.
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Post 20 Dec 2012, 00:38
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sleepsleep wrote:
i guess most of you heard about the tragic gun shootings, it is very negative experience


Right:

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Post 20 Dec 2012, 02:26
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typedef wrote:
ManOfSteel wrote:
mentally unstable
Yep. Rolling Eyes

Are you being sarcastic, typedef?

Do you have any doubt that someone who has no problem shooting into a crowd and killing civilians (including children) is mentally unstable?

Do you think, say Anders Breivik, is normal? Because normal people usually don't plan attacks for 9 years and don't execute 70 people in cold blood.

There's actually a big difference between a politically-motivated terrorist who plants a bomb and sets it off remotely and a delusional mass killer who executes people with his hands at close range.
The result may look the same, but the difference in modus operandi changes everything. One killer is a normal person with a skewed moral compass. The other is a psychopath.


typedef wrote:
If you recall that guy who shot Gabrielle Giffords, the same thing was spoken of him too. "He was mentally effed up"

Yeah, well, that guy is a college drop out, who had been suspended due to inappropriate behavior in class, who refused to have his head checked, who had already been arrested twice for drug possession and abuse and who had his application rejected by the army.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/us/10shooter.html

Looks very normal to me. Laughing


typedef wrote:
This is what it all ends to. They end up saying the person was mentally ill or some shits.

Not in all cases. Just... 2/3 of them.

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Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.

At least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades “displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.”

The ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened

Many law-enforcement officials say [gun-free zones] are actually counterproductive.

Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’

Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage

Mass shootings [...] occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools. [Well, well, well, what a "surprise"!!!]

The Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.

source

Some facts are just hard to deny.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. And when people are messed up in the head, the only sane thing to do is to lock them up so they can't hurt anyone.


And before someone proposes banning all kinds of weapons, including hunting rifles, handguns, and knives while we're at it, just remember that a criminal, terrorist or delusional loco will always be able to find, quite easily, some military grade weapons on the black market.
Mexico has very strict weapon laws yet the entire country is filled with military-grade assault weapons, crime is rife, mass killings (e.g. innocent witnesses of shady operations) and assassinations are frequent and whole cities are controlled by heavily-armed gangs.


I'll end on a positive note.
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ManOfSteel wrote:
just remember that a criminal, terrorist or delusional loco will always be able to find, quite easily, some military grade weapons on the black market.


True.
So what can be done about it?
Can it be made more difficult?
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sleepsleep
and soon, people will able to print gun using 3D printer...
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The places, like schools, must be protected by a couple of guards with weapons.
Just in case like the latest one.
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TmX wrote:
ManOfSteel wrote:
just remember that a criminal, terrorist or delusional loco will always be able to find, quite easily, some military grade weapons on the black market.


True.
So what can be done about it?
Can it be made more difficult?

No, unless you create a police-surveillance state.
Or you can just let people carry weapons wherever they want, make sure crazy people are locked away safely and can never lay their hands on firearms and make sure people are sane *before* they get to buy any kind of weapon.
Perhaps even conduct frequent psychological evaluations on owners, just like some countries conduct sight evaluations on older people if they want to keep driving their cars.


sleepsleep wrote:
and soon, people will able to print gun using 3D printer...

Not really. They are *already* able to. The only problem, for now, is that these printers only print PVC or similar polymers (I believe) and the receiver breaks after a few shots. But that's more than enough for assassinations, for instance.


AsmGuru62 wrote:
The places, like schools, must be protected by a couple of guards with weapons.

Yep, armed guards; armed principals, administrators and directors; door metal detectors; bullet proof doors and windows; and automatic locks on all the doors that can be controlled by the above people.
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ManOfSteel wrote:
Yep, armed guards; armed principals, administrators and directors; door metal detectors; bullet proof doors and windows; and automatic locks on all the doors that can be controlled by the above people.
We already have that, they are called prisons. Perhaps that is where society is heading, into a police state/country/world/planet to "protect" us from all forms of harm.
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anybody(thing) that don't agree with the american peace model (well exlained in hollywood movies) should be killed. that's all.

here, we see american peace model as a strange combinaison of sheap state of population following a leader with a fancy hair cut dressed like in good old 60's. with a little jazzband in background and if possible, a golden dog standing in front of a house like 10000 houses with the same green grass garden. yeah, american dream. don't forget the football team with pompom grils, the stadium full of hugly and fat people supporting their favorite teams, and applauding the governor speach before the match.

i believe the america is a really false system, but it will certainly be the only society to survive in many centuries cause it is the best model for lazyness and honor without real competence. setting every human the equal of other by useage of lies.
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