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sleepsleep
another one thing i want to share with you all,

something that i figure out for a while,

it is about this life,
and this life is about gathering experiences,

eg,
the idea to feed the poor,
to feed the poor we need people who is poor,
to have people who is poor, we need some catastrophe happened in his/her life,
to have catastrophe, we need BAD guy/luck

now, we bring one more idea about ego,
to have high ego, we need to feel very proud of one self or totally look down on others,
so, we need the existence of people without/lack of knowledge, wealth, health, etc

to help another person,
means you need "another person" who require your helps,

if you look at this life without judgement, all things happened and generate unique experiences for everybody,

is there bad guy or good guy? deeds or sins? because your deeds certainly will grow sins, so as your sins will grow deeds,

if you for this moment, temporarily pass a no judgement to every things that happened in your life, your surrounding and so on, what you would see is experiences gathering,

you get what you give,
so how true is this statement? it is very true,

if you send out negative energy to other people, other people will acknowledge your negative energy and cut off their positive energy to your life or they will send more negative energy into your life.

it is no wrong to wish for negative experiences, negative and positive are both of the same thing that keeps on changing.

like your first try to find your way to st.francis road, you stray away from the actual road, but during that stray moment, you find another stuffs along that road, eventually you got to the exact place you wish,

so, my friends, let go all the nonsense and go experience this life, take care.
Post 14 Dec 2012, 18:59
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sleepsleep, please tell me how I can gather the experience of winning the first prize of a big lottery? Rolling Eyes I want a practical, legitimate method, and most importantly I want it NOW! Wink
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sleepsleep
i want it too!
sori, idk how to make that experience real, maybe the best advice is dont forget to buy loterry everyday,

more purchase equal more chances.

what is the probability to draw number 2012 from 0000 to 9999?
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Money is the visible sign of a universal force, and this force in its manifestation on earth works on the vital and physical planes and is indispensable to the fullness of the outer life. In its origin and its true action it belongs to the Divine. But like other powers of the Divine it is delegated here and in the ignorance of the lower Nature can be usurped for the uses of the ego or held by Asuric influences and perverted to their purpose. This is indeed one of the three forces ― power, wealth, sex ― that have the strongest attraction for the human ego and the Asura and are most generally misheld and misused by those who retain them. The seekers or keepers of wealth are more often possessed rather than its possessors; few escape entirely a certain distorting influence stamped on it by its long seizure and perversion by the Asura. For this reason most spiritual disciplines insist on a complete self-control, detachment and renunciation of all bondage to wealth and of all personal and egoistic desire for its possession. Some even put a ban on money and riches and proclaim poverty and bareness of life as the only spiritual condition. But this is an error; it leaves the power in the hands of the hostile forces. To reconquer it for the Divine to whom it belongs and use it divinely for the divine life is the supramental way for the Sadhaka.

You must neither turn with an ascetic shrinking from the money power, the means it gives and the objects it brings, nor cherish a rajasic attachment to them or a spirit of enslaving self-indulgence in their gratifications. Regard wealth simply as a power to be won back for the Mother and placed at her service.

All wealth belongs to the Divine and those who hold it are trustees, not possessors. It is with them today, tomorrow it may be elsewhere. All depends on the way they discharge their trust while it is with them, in what spirit, with what consciousness in their use of it, to what purpose.

In your personal use of money look on all you have or get or bring as the Mother’s. Make no demand but accept what you receive from her and use it for the purposes for which it is given to you. Be entirely selfless, entirely scrupulous, exact, careful in detail, a good trustee; always consider that it is her possessions and not your own that you are handling. On the other hand, what you receive for her, lay religiously before her; turn nothing to your own or anybody else’s purpose.

Do not look up to men because of their riches or allow yourself to be impressed by the show, the power or the influence. When you ask for the Mother, you must feel that it is she who is demanding through you a very little of what belongs to her and the man from whom you ask will be judged by his response.

If you are free from the money-taint but without any ascetic withdrawal, you will have a greater power to command the money for the divine work. Equality of mind, absence of demand and the full dedication of all you possess and receive and all your power of acquisition to the Divine Shakti and her work are the signs of this freedom. Any perturbation of mind with regard to money and its use, any claim, any grudging is a sure index of some imperfection or bondage.

The ideal Sadhaka in this kind is one who if required to live poorly can so live and no sense of want will affect him or interfere with the full inner play of the divine consciousness and if he is required to live richly, can so live and never for a moment fall into desire or attachment to his wealth or to the things that he uses or servitude to self-indulgence or a weak bondage to the habits that the possession of riches creates. The divine Will is all for him and the divine Ananda.

In the supramental creation the money-force has to be restored to the Divine Power and used for a true and beautiful and harmonious equipment and ordering of a new divinised vital and physical existence in whatever way the Divine Mother herself decides in her creative vision. But first it must be conquered back for her and those will be strongest for the conquest who are in this part of their nature strong and large and free from ego and surrendered without any claim or withholding or hesitation, pure and powerful channels for the Supreme Puissance.
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6 September 1926
(second part of the talk)
Nota:The word "Disciple" does not mean always the same person

Disciple: You said about the forces that control money that two conditions were necessary. First, one must be very calm and must not get disturbed and have no desire for money. Secondly, it requires a bojhapada ( = an understanding) with the universal forces. What is this understanding?

Sri Aurobindo: There are many ways. Even in the case of one man there are different methods, I mean in the yogic sense, which he can follow. First, you must put your need before God and ask him to satisfy it; your duty ends there. In that case you need not have any bojhapada - understanding - with the universal forces.
But we look upon money as a power for the Divine, and, as with everything else, we want to conquer it for the Divine in life. Hence, in our case an "understanding" is necessary. As the money-power to-day is in the hands of the hostile forces, naturally, we have to fight them. Whenever they see that you are trying to oust them they will try to thwart your efforts. You have to bring a higher power than these and put them down. First, they try to trick you by offering success, - one can say, by tying to buy you up. If a man falls into that trap then his spiritual future is ruined.

You have really to follow a certain rhythm of the money-power, the rhythm that brings in and the one that throws out money. Money is given to you in the beginning; then, you have to deserve it. You have to prove that you do not waste it. If you waste it, then you lose your right to it.

Disciple: What is waste?

Sri Aurobindo: Waste is waste. Throwing away money without any order, unorganised expenses without regard to the means of getting money or to the utility of spending. It is not that you have to hoard money. It is there for being spent. But we must spend it in the right way - in a certain order and with an arrangement.
Sometimes the Divine even follows man's caprices, as is typified in the case of men like Thakur Dayananda.

Disciple: Yes. Whatever he gets must be spent away on that very day, that is the rule; and they all wait till they get their next day's food.

Sri Aurobindo: The result is that sometimes for seven days they get so much food that they can't eat and then for fifteen days they have to starve!

Disciple: Even the young children go without food for that period.

Sri Aurobindo: Well, that is a chaotic movement; but he follows it!

Disciple: Even the industrial magnates who get money get into that rhythm of which you spoke.

Sri Aurobindo: Of course, they do, otherwise they can't get rich. They take it in and then again they throw it out, then it returns and again it is thrown out. That is the reason why they get colossal wealth. These rich people often have no attachment to money, it is the action of the vital force that they enjoy, not their money.

Disciple: It is a life-movement.

Sri Aurobindo: Yes. That was the ideal of the Vaishya as opposed to the Bania - the miser. The Vaishya was the man who could get tremendous wealth and could spend it liberally, could establish the interchange and enter into the rhythm.

Disciple: But these Marwadis who are very rich are attached to their wealth

Sri Aurobindo: No.

Disciple: No, they are not. We think them greedy because they don't give money in the way in which we want them to give. They generally spend it in the old conventional way. We think them greedy also because they are particular about small things in their business - caring for pies.

Sri Aurobindo: It is very necessary. It is exactly that which brings them the money.

Disciple: Henry Ford has also got that habit and so has become rich. He describes in his biography how he started with the idea not of making money but of giving people a quick conveyance at a small price.

Sri Aurobindo: The Americans have got the knack of getting into the rhythm which bring them money. The French method, for instance, does not succeed because they follow out small narrow paths, while the Americans boldly get into movement on a large scale and money circulates and as it circulates it accumulates and increases life wherever it flows.

Disciple: You said that some men have got in their vital being a special capacity that draws money to them.

Sri Aurobindo: Yes. Some have it. And some women also have got it. Women can give a tremendous push to a man in anything he does. There are also women who are lakshmi-chara - those that take away what you may have.
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idk how and why money gets connected with divine, but imo as of today,

money is simply a tool,
i would define it, a "tool" to facilitates the process of physical & non-physical transfer among human.

base on this definition, we come to the following ideas,

1. we assume each objects (physical or non) got "values"

2. we give "values" to objects, (physical or non)

3. we having the idea, "it is mine", ownership


and since money is the "medium of value holder" in this ownership transfer process, people tend to believe

1. the more money we got, the more physical & non-physical (happiness and etc) stuffs we could get.

2. the more we got, the more different others view us, people treat us like god.


the system works because we believe and accept money as a medium of value holder.

most of the time, people don't realize the following things.

1. the more money you got, means you got to spend more time to think what you gonna do with the money

2. the more money you got, the less you could desire and your expection gone higher from time to time, harder/difficult to satisfy

3. the more you get in A, means the less you could get in counter/anti A

4. let us assume this whole earth is yours, what you gonna do? do you have any plan how to proceed?


because the very truth could be,

your expectation is depend on the amount of "want/desire" you got and the time you want to put in.
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i figure out another idea,
it is about attachment, i think i better write it here,

it seems,
to attach will enable a individual to feel or experience the journey to attach something for a certain period of time

to detach, let go, will enable a individual to feel or experience other experiences through out different journey.

to be really free is to able to attach and detach as you wish.

to not attach in another sense is, you are attached to not attach, it is not which one is better, it is to freely do and choose what we prefer.
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sleepsleep wrote:

is there bad guy or good guy? deeds or sins? because your deeds certainly will grow sins, so as your sins will grow deeds,

i got to quote myself,
because we hardly acknowledge pleasure as suffering, because they are the same coin just like above quoted idea.
the moment we feel pleasure, we see no suffering,
the moment we feel suffering, we see no pleasure,

but the cause of suffering is due to pleasure,
and the cause of pleasure is due to suffering,
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TOTALLY FLAWED THOUGHTLINE!

rise into power.. where applicable.
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Is it possible to transcend this dualism in any way? Not just saying I choose this path of pain for the future rewards of pleasure, or vice versa. But no pain or pleasure - dampening the desire or maligned repetitive action.

Does action lead to inaction? Only like note compose movement compose concerto compose work ... ad infinitum. Doesn't any continuum manifest such complexities and the dualistic view looks at single endpoints.

Often I wish this life wasn't so limited, but there are moments where I am thankful for what it is. Friends found in strange places, errors in timing, mistaken identities, ... all veils collapse - a resetting of expectation. At once it is new and old.

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bitRAKE wrote:
Is it possible to transcend this dualism in any way?


Yes! AMD has 8-core bulldozer out for over a year already Razz

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the moment we having pleasure, means lose of pleasure or having no pleasure could be suffering,
but this state of suffering craze for incoming pleasure.

how is the state of no suffering and no pleasure, idk. but to be really free means, we must able to choose consciously whatever we want to experience, be it pleasure or suffering.

sit still and choose nothing, pleasure or suffering would equal to choosing nothing, ah, choosing nothing one kind of experience too, Laughing then choosing nothing leading to incoming choosing something, and choosing nothing means lose of experiences in case of choosing something.

to keep on choosing nothing in long run might result attachment, and attachment result suffering too, in one sense.

realizing both means what we gonna choose? Confused idk.
ah, to be or not to be, in my own interpretation.

maybe the keyword is 'reasonable', what a great word.
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sleepsleep wrote:
how is the state of no suffering and no pleasure ...
Such a state is called Enlightenment. Wink
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YONG wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
how is the state of no suffering and no pleasure ...
Such a state is called Enlightenment. Wink


No, it's called "gainful employment" Razz

But if you start liking or hating your job this could change Wink

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well mister YONG all i can say is FUCK YOU N-lighten-meant
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matefkr wrote:
well mister YONG all i can say is FUCK YOU N-lighten-meant
Watch your mouth, kid.
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matefkr wrote:
well mister YONG all i can say is FUCK YOU N-lighten-meant


maybe any sentence forward to you would be considered offensive,

but i got question to you,
do you really want to understand yourself?

or just let whatever factors that shape us into offensive, continue to shape us till death, while we have no idea what all this about.

FUCK YOU is considered offensive word by most of us, but still, depend on situation, atmosphere, relationship, subject and etc, maybe your wife or girlfriend love to hear this. idk. Laughing

you sketch out an education system, and maybe the respond is not what you expected, then you started turn into offensive, aggressive (ah, i made it into a thread too).

this is what i felt, it might be true or maybe just my imagination,
but i hope you could participate in a positive ways, and i know you could, it just you want or dont want.
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sleepsleep wrote:
matefkr wrote:
well mister YONG all i can say is FUCK YOU N-lighten-meant
FUCK YOU is considered offensive word by most of us, but still, depend on situation, atmosphere, relationship, subject and etc, maybe your wife or girlfriend love to hear this. idk. Laughing
Bro, you have got a sense of humor! Laughing Wink
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Typo. possibly youR and not you? From context.
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not sure what yall talking about but: FUCK YOU inability to comprehend the english sentences precisely.

And also regarding agression: FUCK YOU aggression and logical errors.
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