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sleepsleep
i would like to know,

how you communicate with others in the year 2012?

we got facebook, twitter, blogspot, skype, MSN, ym, QQ, mobile phone, whatapps, forum, email and almost some thousand others, but maybe you just communicate differently, since you don't trust anything that isn't your code or you got your own reason to communicate uniquely.

communicate as defined using google,
define:communicate wrote:

Share or exchange information, news, or ideas.

using verbal, words, symbol, picture and etc medium.

my questions,

a) do you like to communicate with others?

b) would you prefer to archive all the words you said, all the words you write, all the pictures, videos you took, all your excel files, powerpoint, words documents? or you simply don't care?

c) how would you protect your own information? communication log? or stuffs that you created while living but at the same time how you share those information?

d) how would you expand your social life? how you find more friends/people who share same ideas like yours or unlike yours? you prefer digitally or face to face meeting?

e) how you view this statement, the idea of communication is more to impress others, to prove superiority and to clear doubts rather than information exchange

f) have you ever experience sick of communicate? and what is your reaction in such situation?

g) how you view people who think something but they communicate it differently to you (totally different from what they want to communicate) because of various reasons and probably for their very own (selfish/wisdom/smart) purpose/strategy?
eg you are boss, or they depend on you, they don't want to offend you, and so on...

you are not required to answer all questions, Laughing
just reply anything that you prefer to communicate with me.

thank you Wink
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hi sleepsleep,
When The Going Gets Tough...
cool the questions ! they are engeneered for sure ! Wink
i discussed about such arguments once in a class i attended
to improve my communication capabilities.
Quote:
Share or exchange information, news, or ideas.

yes, essentially this. but human beings are not machines, i.e, some human factors
modifies/overloads the statement above of some other meanings/goals,
partially or iintegrally.

now considering communication The Way human tolerance comes to play,
i catch occasion to answer myself (and publicly) one more time again.

a) do you like to communicate with others?
generally no. if i like the person, it means i am at ease with him.
(for some presumed/istinktive or illusional affinity) in that case,
i communicate with him

b) would you prefer to archive all the words you said...
no, but for them i may accept my resonsibilites. the activity of a machine
collecting informations on people sharing theirselves is not yet endorsed
from a firm and stable law. this is an advantage in our times.
and a well known market behaviour follows: it is yet possible to buy/sell
informations, i.e use them arbitrarily.

c) how would you protect your own information? communication log?
or stuffs that you created while living but at the same time how you share those information?
i am one open person only. this is my personal advantage and my weakness.
information cannot be protected without some crypto methods.
i invented different (partially successfull) methods for that too.
also, in most case one should take in account that communication
may resemble the "Art of Preserving" itself. something like in martial arts...
because they has been defined "arts".

d) how would you expand your social life? how you find more friends/people who share same ideas like yours or unlike yours?
you prefer digitally or face to face meeting?
both. and gestual. most of the times at work etc, i would prefer silence.
what i communicate is 60% gestual and short phrasing.
once i got a job answering this simple psycho-question:
What would you do if you only had lot of money ?
my answer:
I would pay people on the world to keep silence
for 1 little minute only. please hush !Smile

gotcha.

but i am used (after upbringing) to listen to
the person in front of me carefully. sometimes i ask 3 times, because it is fascinating
for me. i am curious to hear from him. it is but a matter of concentration.
concentrating is the start for expansion of social life.

e) how you view this statement, the idea of communication is more to impress others,
to prove superiority and to clear doubts rather than information exchange

yes and no. anyways communication is possibly aimed at reaching a goal together with other beings.
possibly, because a goal presumes a form of planning and organization of tasks etc.
without goal is even better imho Wink
under this meaning, i love Bruce Lee !
the gain is/should be anyways from both sides (or more than 2 sides or one side only...)
ehh, this is a complex matter!!!

f) have you ever experience sick of communicate? and what is your reaction in such situation?
sometimes it's impossible "to communicate", some other times not needed.
one should accept it "as it is", or trying to find a method to solve the issue, case by case.
the reaction is what makes the difference. a person capable of communicating reacts different
from a person that has lived without trying to understand the reason why it's
impossible sometimes to communicate. in most cases, none cares about lack of
communication among two/more persons. also, communication should not be compulsory too.

g) how you view people who think something but they communicate it differently to you
(totally different from what they want to communicate) because of various reasons and probably
for their very own (selfish/wisdom/smart) purpose/strategy?
eg you are boss, or they depend on you, they don't want to offend you, and so on...

lot of times we experience how communication is a means for some people to overwhelm other people.
sometimes "the boss" cannot communicate the whole because there's no much time to do it.
some other times is a waste of time. some other more times one thinks that people in front of you
has not capabilities to understand. (this is not "opinion" this is a form of
implicit judgement,- did you recall "deserving" Wink -
but imho, because i am very curious person one should read it as a
diminishing "cut" on reality).
and one is free to accept or refuse all this, whether boss or employed

one more question should be set now for all people entering this thread.

e) why you might think to answer the questions above ? Wink

Cheers,

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sleepsleep
a) do you like to communicate with others?
hopcode wrote:

generally no. if i like the person, it means i am at ease with him.
(for some presumed/istinktive or illusional affinity) in that case,
i communicate with him

so, i assume, i could set a basis here,
communication is more oriented to purpose based, and of course, communicator must like the person in order to initiate communication is preferred situation.



b) would you prefer to archive all the words you said...
hopcode wrote:

no, but for them i may accept my resonsibilites. the activity of a machine
collecting informations on people sharing theirselves is not yet endorsed
from a firm and stable law. this is an advantage in our times.
and a well known market behaviour follows: it is yet possible to buy/sell
informations, i.e use them arbitrarily.

i was thinking, if i could archive my whole life, and rewind it during my old days, that would be awesome, and maybe i will pose great question, who is that me in my life?
who am i, if i forgot everything that happened in my life?
who am i, if the later i denied the previous i actions?

afaik, facebook and etc social networks are analyzing our behaviour 24/7



c) how would you protect your own information? communication log?
or stuffs that you created while living but at the same time how you share those information?
hopcode wrote:

i am one open person only. this is my personal advantage and my weakness.
information cannot be protected without some crypto methods.
i invented different (partially successfull) methods for that too.
also, in most case one should take in account that communication
may resemble the "Art of Preserving" itself. something like in martial arts...
because they has been defined "arts".

well, somehow if you could describe a little bit more detail how is that your invented encrypted communication method? is it digital or something totally different? i am curious to know.

martial arts, art of preserving,
those martial arts people passed their kungfu verbally, directly, one to one only to their selected student,
yeah, that is part of communication,

this start another question, we could pass information (pretty easily), but could we pass experiences, awareness, understanding to others?


d) how would you expand your social life? how you find more friends/people who share same ideas like yours or unlike yours?
you prefer digitally or face to face meeting?
hopcode wrote:

both. and gestual. most of the times at work etc, i would prefer silence.
what i communicate is 60% gestual and short phrasing.
once i got a job answering this simple psycho-question:
What would you do if you only had lot of money ?
my answer:
I would pay people on the world to keep silence
for 1 little minute only. please hush !Smile

gotcha.

but i am used (after upbringing) to listen to
the person in front of me carefully. sometimes i ask 3 times, because it is fascinating
for me. i am curious to hear from him. it is but a matter of concentration.
concentrating is the start for expansion of social life.

ok, we could conclude here, concentration towards the initiator is requirement to prolong a communication, and prolong communication resulted social life expansion. nice.



e) how you view this statement, the idea of communication is more to impress others,
to prove superiority and to clear doubts rather than information exchange

hopcode wrote:

yes and no. anyways communication is possibly aimed at reaching a goal together with other beings.
possibly, because a goal presumes a form of planning and organization of tasks etc.
without goal is even better imho Wink
under this meaning, i love Bruce Lee !
the gain is/should be anyways from both sides (or more than 2 sides or one side only...)
ehh, this is a complex matter!!!

yeah, i love Bruce Lee could represent
1. you know Bruce Lee,
2. you know Bruce Lee is more to chinese martial arts, and you love martial arts.
3. somehow you are associate to martial arts.
4. and maybe the conclusion of that statement is, to impress others that, you know martial arts.
of course, this is just part of my natural deduction.

this will start another question, is it ok to impress others? is it ok to be shown superior than others?




f) have you ever experience sick of communicate? and what is your reaction in such situation?
hopcode wrote:

sometimes it's impossible "to communicate", some other times not needed.
one should accept it "as it is", or trying to find a method to solve the issue, case by case.
the reaction is what makes the difference. a person capable of communicating reacts different
from a person that has lived without trying to understand the reason why it's
impossible sometimes to communicate. in most cases, none cares about lack of
communication among two/more persons. also, communication should not be compulsory too.

because, what i saw from others people life, eg,
a couple who got married, after several years, get fed up and divorce.

it seems most people will choose to (go away or tolerate) from problems after it is unsolvable,

and it seems, the problem is like, there is only 1 chair, but we got 2 or more buttocks who wanna sit on it. Laughing



g) how you view people who think something but they communicate it differently to you
(totally different from what they want to communicate) because of various reasons and probably
for their very own (selfish/wisdom/smart) purpose/strategy?
eg you are boss, or they depend on you, they don't want to offend you, and so on...
[quote="hopcode"]
lot of times we experience how communication is a means for some people to overwhelm other people.
sometimes "the boss" cannot communicate the whole because there's no much time to do it.
some other times is a waste of time. some other more times one thinks that people in front of you
has not capabilities to understand. (this is not "opinion" this is a form of
implicit judgement,- did you recall "deserving" Wink -
but imho, because i am very curious person one should read it as a
diminishing "cut" on reality).
and one is free to accept or refuse all this, whether boss or employed
Quote:

yeah, deserving,
it could be, only people who showing symptoms of trying to communicate with you deserve your concentration, attention.



[quote="hopcode"]
why you might think to answer the questions above ?

much appreciate for all the replies,
i learn something from your perspectives,
Post 06 Nov 2012, 22:08
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hopcode
sleepsleep wrote:
i learn something from your perspectives

i do too; and when i say communication "without goal is even better, imho",
i meant i dont know where this communication bring us. it may seem "aimless" where i mean "open" but not void.

well, the most is clearly set up fine.
we may think to reduce verbosity now Wink
and allow us to come again to the subject even in a later time
(more like in a game of chess)
sleepsleep wrote:
i was thinking, if i could archive my whole life, and rewind it during my old days,
that would be awesome, and maybe i will pose great question, who is that me in my life?
the brain works in that way already. this is by training memory.
but why/for what purpouse setting up such a "wayback" machine ?
assuming we have a wayback machine perfectly working, should we
continue asking ourselves the old dear unanswered questions
"who is that me in my life ?" ? this is already so, via facebook etc.
sleepsleep wrote:
this start another question, we could pass information (pretty easily),
but could we pass experiences, awareness, understanding to others?

yes, more or less directly
by writing
by skype
by "smelling good"

on an ancient place smells are scents of an old age/knowledge.
atoms/molecules of smell dont decay so rapidly. it is very alike
you may smell there what the old ones smelt.
that smell may provide you a "chemical inspiration", because
it communicates you a "feeling", a "spirit" of ancient times/things.
sleepsleep wrote:
and it seems, the problem is like, there is only 1 chair,
but we got 2 or more buttocks who wanna sit on it.

yeas. we come again to resources. we should face the problem now, eventually
trying to find a method to go and live concretely on the moon.
sleepsleep wrote:
your invented encrypted communication method? is it digital or something totally different? i am curious to know.

one of them it's a manual script, made of some adaptable strokes. choosen a seed
contextually to the argument i was to note, they adapt themselves/resemlbles
everytime always different. not simple to be read. i needed several days of
training to read the output. but the concept is simple and i could write it soon
after fixing the basic rules. if i find oneof my books with some notes on it,
i will scan and post it.
sleepsleep wrote:
concentration towards the initiator is requirement to prolong a communication,
and prolong communication resulted social life expansion. nice.

yes. that happened in histoory too. Greek from Athen had a

- concentration stage (Ἀγορά see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora )
- stage of mature effective democracy
- implosion of it (by abstraction/philosophy and ὕβρις see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris)
- expansion of knowledge all over the world

whether good/bad/limiting, this belongs to history.

why Bruce Lee.
- he tried to apply the most real and effective
naturality to every martial movement.
- he tried to communicate thru his movies his way of being.
(he didnt like actually artificial actions on the stage)
- he taught those initially curious persons. then they become disciples
of a martial spirit.
- he did it in a strange country too (USA)
- his concept is cat + water
cat awakes suddenly and is 100% ready to scratch
water is instability. learn how to adapt to/manage instability.
- he tried to do it himself after learning as kid the important basics
from a couple of masters.
- because he was a positive person. he never discouraged
whenever not supported.
- because his action doesnt rely on brute-force

all these features from BL are a noble way/sign to communicate
something lasting.

Cheers,

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My answers Very Happy

a) do you like to communicate with others?

Not really, except if the other people have the same interests/hobbies

b) would you prefer to archive all the words you said, all the words you write, all the pictures, videos you took, all your excel files, powerpoint, words documents? or you simply don't care?

Words are enough for me. Make them simple and concise.
I usually use Powerpoint for office work, and I only put a few words on them.
More pictures are better. My lectured told me that "a picture worth a thousand words", so better use more pictures than words in your slide Very Happy

c) how would you protect your own information? communication log? or stuffs that you created while living but at the same time how you share those information?

Well, there is PGP/GPG, if I have to protect my information.

d) how would you expand your social life? how you find more friends/people who share same ideas like yours or unlike yours? you prefer digitally or face to face meeting?

I prefer face to face meeting, because we're individuals, not just a bunch of text posted on the internet.
But for practical reasons, meeting digitally is OK. It's easier, anyway.

e) how you view this statement, the idea of communication is more to impress others, to prove superiority and to clear doubts rather than information exchange

Probably there is some truth in that.
I myself is a bad communicator.

f) have you ever experience sick of communicate? and what is your reaction in such situation?

No

g) how you view people who think something but they communicate it differently to you (totally different from what they want to communicate) because of various reasons and probably for their very own (selfish/wisdom/smart) purpose/strategy?

Fine with me.
I'll complain anyway, once a problem happened Very Happy
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again, on good engeenered questions. i think i have got the meaning of those questions in a global vision. one more time:
a) do you like to communicate with others?
- generally no. yes when i am at ease with the person i do it

b) would you prefer to archive all the words you said, all the words you write, all the pictures, videos you took, all your excel files, powerpoint, words documents? or you simply don't care?
- no. words etc are only the means, not the communication itself.
and history proves facts, not words.

c) how would you protect your own information? communication log? or stuffs that you created while living but at the same time how you share those information?
- it is impossible because someone is always aware of those informations.

d) how would you expand your social life? how you find more friends/people who share same ideas like yours or unlike yours? you prefer digitally or face to face meeting?
- both. these are other good methods for an "expanding" person.

e) how you view this statement, the idea of communication is more to impress others, to prove superiority and to clear doubts rather than information exchange
- yes and no. yes because "words" impress. no because communication has an undiscovered core yet.

f) have you ever experience sick of communicate? and what is your reaction in such situation?
- yes, from both sides. tolerance, patience is important in those cases to keep the mind cool and come to a conclusion.

g) how you view people who think something but they communicate it differently to you (totally different from what they want to communicate) because of various reasons and probably for their very own (selfish/wisdom/smart) purpose/strategy?
eg you are boss, or they depend on you, they don't want to offend you, and so on...
- trusting is needed in all cases. "communicating" it differently is not necessairly a bad thing. but the goal of communication is of matter.

Very Happy
Cheers,

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