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LocoDelAssembly
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Has anyone here attempted such thing? Any recommendations?
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i got one suggestion,

download 1 episode of any japanese drama with subtitles of the language you mastered,

and start from there,

the goal is, able to understand the whole 1 episode without subtitle! able to remember how they talk and talk like them, the best is, you know what is the next sentence even before they start to talk Cool

by that time, i would dare to say, (all the frequent used japanese words are yours)
Post 01 Nov 2012, 18:30
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I learned the kana with an old Windows program course and some website, then I played online games with Japanese people.

They seem to have shut down the website I used, but there are a lot of paces where you can learn kana and vocabulary. Flashcards are useful when learning kanji.
Post 01 Nov 2012, 21:17
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1. good idea, have some fun....
2. you need to decide WHICH strategy you wish to follow:
a. listening comprehension;
b. reading comprehension;

Both are relatively difficult, compared with say, Russian, or German, if one's native language is in the Romance language family.

Chinese is a much easier language to learn, for simple tasks.

To understand either language, in order to listen to a television broadcast of the evening news, is about a four year project.

I recommend getting a textbook, not relying just on the internet, and the one I used, to study Japanese is superb: I can't recommend it too highly:

Japanese for today, Gakken company ltd, 1973
Published by the Osaka University of Foreign Studies.

The book has no peer, in my opinion, in any language.

Internet resources for studying Chinese are excellent, but you will still benefit from a couple of books:

I like, very much, John Rohsenow's book: ABC Dictionary of Chinese Proverbs.

Anyway, I wish you luck. Either language will be formidable, and both will be enchanting.

Do you have any plan to visit either Japan, or China, in the near future?
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My recommendation for learning east asian languages. You might think it's a bit backwards, but..

Learn
1. Writing
2. Reading
2. Speaking
3. Listening comprehension.
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Thanks a lot guys, will follow your suggestions.

Tom, I don't plan traveling anywhere in the near future, but I've been curious about this language for quite some time, and also, if I manage to get very serious into this, I know some people who might help me to progress further.
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mindcooler wrote:
My recommendation for learning east asian languages. You might think it's a bit backwards, but..

Learn
1. Writing
2. Reading
2. Speaking
3. Listening comprehension.


Nothing wrong with that approach, and it suits our mentality, i.e. asm programming.

We, as a group, focus on the written expression, not the sound of the language.

That's why I inquired about forthcoming travel = (watching movies on Youtube).

Does one study the language to communicate with others?

I think it is more difficult for us to gain proficiency with listening comprehension, than for a group of musicians, for example.

Similarly, it should be easier for us to attain proficiency with the written language, compared with folks employed to use their hands.

It is certainly not an easy task to learn a new language, no matter what our background... I suppose that most forum members have studied English, as a foreign language, for at least ten years. In my opinion, both Japanese and Chinese will be easier, than English:

Japanese is very regular, with only a few exceptions.

Chinese has an incredibly simple grammar.
....

I wonder how many FASM forum members are fluent in ARM assembly?

I think it is also not easy to master another language for programming. In fact, about the only thing I find not difficult, these days, is watching television....

I am tolerably skillful at flipping channels with the remote control, though, arthritis now limits my dexterity, but the mind remains very agile...
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imho Mandarin is the way to go


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IMHO, Mandarin is a terrible way to learn Japanese.
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mindcooler wrote:
IMHO, Mandarin is a terrible way to learn Japanese.

Well the advantage is that Mandarin is spoken in various countries.
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sleepsleep wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

mandarin ranked 1st


And note it says Native Speakers.

When I have a child I'll send them to a school where they teach Mandarin (probably in one of those countries). Very Happy

I have a "Learn Mandarin" app on my phone but I'm way too grown to learn a new language.
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just an idea,
maybe we could try learn by listening a song? mandarin or japanese song?

and try figure out DIY from there, word by word.

typedef wrote:

When I have a child I'll send them to a school where they teach Mandarin

good luck!
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sleepsleep wrote:

just an idea,
maybe we could try learn by listening a song? mandarin or japanese song?

Maybe a video also would help but not just an audio alone since you can get the idea of what is being acted out in the video. Very Happy


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typedef wrote:

When I have a child I'll send them to a school where they teach Mandarin

good luck!


LOL why ? A good healthy and fertile female is all it takes.
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