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asmhack



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AsmGuru62 wrote:

The money is a power to force the society to progress (Karl Marx).


Marx said that the system will fall due to it's weaknesses.
Monopolies is not a fucking progress.

AsmGuru62 wrote:

The time will come when money will no longer be needed.

Yes they will no be longer needed cuz we all will be slaves.
Post 09 Sep 2012, 16:19
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asmhack



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How about two money types ? One for consumption and the other one for investments ? We need something totally new here, help me guys what u think ?
Post 09 Sep 2012, 16:19
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if you said salary, pay, wage is based on contribution,
yes, i agree,

you discuss what is the pay for a particular job, (whether this job generate positive or negative contribution, that is another story)

you do the job,

employer pay you, by hour, day, month,

you get the money and exchange it with other stuffs that you need.

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because currently, "paper money" is the only accepted "item that holding value", whether you like it or not, you need to earn money to pay tax, bills, foods, etc.

and this force you to "work" because others not going to accept "things" which is not money.

i guess everybody is aware, how the gang who got lots of money using "those paper money" to manipulate, order, force us. because now you become like machine, like labour, like slave.

contribution and "force to contribute" are totally different.

the advancement in technology should transform the society into a free world, a world that everybody love to contribute but not force to contribute.

they can choose to not contribute, but they still able to live a basic life.

the concept of money should be taken away, because like i said previously, the system working now is damn evil, unjust and bad.

the new system should able to identify great contributor, because they should get more compare to us because they are great mind, great people, great vision, great mission,

because they are those who will bring joy, peace, freedom into this world!

look at those politician, they are like bastard,
they appear on TV with twisted logic
they don't go for truth, humanity and justice
they are doing their own personal agendas.

how their government got money, they fucking tax you, and you are force to become slave in order to pay tax. Laughing
they fuck business too, because you got to pay tax if you want to sell something.

and what government do for you?
they build military, build missiles, install fear,
they take your tax money and use it as salary for government workers, soldiers, police,
they take and control more slaves.

i don't say we don't need soldier, police, law enforcers, (that is another topic)
Post 10 Sep 2012, 16:49
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The system is fine - it is the people that needs to be changed.
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sleepsleep
AsmGuru62 wrote:
@sleepsleep:

The idea of "work = slavery" is visible in almost all your posts.
Have you ever thought that this is not always the case?

In fact, I know a lot of people, which are very happy at work.
Some are not happy - I admit that, but most of people are.

Come to think of it - it is totally up to a person - to make sure
a job brings pleasure instead of pain. So, the corporate culture is not to blame,
but the blame for unhapiness should fall on a person.

As for money - it is just papers/coins used to measure contributions.
In fact, it is just numbers: when I get paid, my account adds some number.
When I am paying with the card - some amount is subtracted.

The money is a power to force the society to progress (Karl Marx).
The time will come when money will no longer be needed.



hi AsmGuru62
yes, i agree, not everybody think working is slavery, and i agree too, people love their work.
but would they work if there gonna be no pay, no cheque, no salary?

then i believe 99% human will stop working.
we are in a society that money plays the biggest factor why a human work. (maybe 99% what i said is truth)

and if you ask those workers, if they given a choice, to work or (to not working, they can do whatever they want) but with same salary at the end of the month, what is the answer?

like you said,
Quote:

As for money - it is just papers/coins used to measure contributions.
In fact, it is just numbers: when I get paid, my account adds some number.
When I am paying with the card - some amount is subtracted.

except, we all, are force into this money game.

Quote:

The money is a power to force the society to progress (Karl Marx).
The time will come when money will no longer be needed.

and the time is now.
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asmhack wrote:
How about two money types ? One for consumption and the other one for investments ? We need something totally new here, help me guys what u think ?


ok, the idea of consumption
to pay for something that we desire.

investment
to increase, expand whatever thing that we accept as "value holder"
with expectation that 2 will change to 5 or more in values.

i wish if you could detail what you mean by 2 money types?
and what you mean "totally new"
Post 10 Sep 2012, 17:24
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The time is not now, but when ALL humans will not be able to live without working.
The work must become as unavoidable as food or sleep Smile.
But as I said - to reach that state we need a few more centuries.
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sleepsleep
very nice tube regarding money

What if money was no object?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siu6JYqOZ0g
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Quote:

A job brings pleasure instead of pain.
The corporate culture is not to blame


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sleepsleep
cant stop thinking how to proceed,

i think kickstarter is a very good project because it honour and finance support new ideas, new invention, anything creative and this is actually a very good platform for any human with noble ideas to kickstart it.

mass fund collected for people who believe this creator deserve their fund.

of course, people still expect, something physical (sort of if not every person who fund kickstarter) in return.

yep, i saw the USD 10 for email reply and a post card something or etc.

what if a kickstarter project that never deliver anything physical back?

then this create a question, what makes a person deserve USD 10? USD 100, USD 1,000, USD 10,000 or USD 100,000.

of course, if you bind god into kickstart, maybe people will start donate for god sake.

maybe a kickstart project like this.

USD 10 million to think how to create a better system for human.

if albert enstein kickstart this, higher percentage it would get funded.
if mr.a or mr.b kickstart this, people might think what this idiot gonna do.

what amount of "perceived shared values" enough to create a better lifestyle? system?

maybe no amount of money mentioned is ever enough, for the ultimate good place, good system, good lifestyle to live is when every people aware,

we need to choose good or positive in order to create or prolong positiveness or goodness.

to choose is people must have the ability to acquire info, knowledge, to think, to ponder, to figure out, to explore, to ask, to answer, to open mind, to question, to discuss, to understand and so on.

this is total contrast to what current available popular guide,
to do good / positive without the idea why, follow like what others did, follow what decree by god or his prophets, understanding is unnecessary, dont ask, you wouldnt understand it anyway

of course, there are fear in everybody heart, if i start doing good, what if they abuse me, what if they using me, what if they never help me back when i need them, and etc more.

maybe it would be better if i put it this way,
understand that to create overall goodness, positiveness, we need to choose to create good and positive, and to do so according to our ability.

and the reality, we are facing evil, or negative in a large percentage in 7 billions total.

some people only stop producing negative when you put a gun near their head,

centralized kids control and monitor is probably the only way to create a better generation as suggested by someone sometime ago.
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it doesnt work. but there is plenty of danger. Smile

kickstarter rips u off big time, if u calculate. dont name things.. bad habbit.
spread this truth.
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only a few small projets on kickstarter. at most.. but then should use another platform, u dont want 20-50 percent of what others donate be redirected to banks and paypal and kickstarter wich might be just the same thing. these are millions of dollars for literally nothing. i read bank transfer costs percentage..bullshit.. 4 bytes will hold 1 dollar or 2 billion. no difference. they can stick up their precentages them arse.. especially there are multiple bank names.. suck my greazy balls.. stupid useless middlemens... there is only one money printer something.
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two things might work: lawless.. statless people.. bunch of people u put together.. cooperate, declare them statless, and they dont have to pay bullshit waste and crap to others.
what else works is army.. contact army and if u can convince them.. totalitarian dictatorship.. for better cause.

just too many evil who are just evil.. and still influential postition over others and many dont care or think that being alive is the highest value thing. bullshit. feeling good is highest value. they are actually happy for my pain.
Post 18 Aug 2013, 10:21
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so. it doesnt work. they got the tools.. or if u are one of them then u. so u can ask them to go ahead and do it themselves.. but i but they wanna squeeze people because they enjoy it and they want believe this is how they make someone work. and so.. u should spread this truth.
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when i have totalitarian miltiary power i will know as sure as i can otherwise.. it is futile or bullshit to hope for crap. even u should not reason they will grow.. because u know they are many. all u might do is decide to assemble a team.. where u will not let your already developed edginess to have a chance to surface because this is what outsiders doo and their influence must be eliminated.
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but realy the evil controls.. there are some who are actually groups as well but they are poor people very dumb. they think they do good things.. but in fact bullshit, .. if not the evil controls there would already socialist global state occure.
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but they are not socialists.. they damage some so they enjoy it, they squeeze many but in a way wich is not apparent, they make the good ones think things are justified.. and thats about their evil control.
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so.. let me explain: small stepp one makes,, they will probably leave this alone.. someone seems to be able to progress.. they will intervene more aggressively more vehemently, someone uses violent force.. they will try to act against. if they fail at this laast stage, they have no return,, they are conquered.. so it is important to have force against evil.. due to the covert nature of evil.. wich makes one unable to identify so finding a way to turn them over is pretty much hopless. without actually identifieing them and changing them one by one.. controlling them.

but special weapons and tools cant be designed at some points because they will leech on these things for their own power.. perhaps many of their genius things are such stolen things.
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my state is compared to a state in war (or my "group's" state) when i see i dont have any chance against the enemy, so i just give up. Or maybe comaparable to the state of a captive. Dont tell them anything else but your name and identifier (if u have one).. this is rule of thumb if someone gets captive in war.. some things might be still war but less noisy.

they should understand that slaves are inefficient.

but their power is very very great by now. and one cannot ignore the blantantly obviousness of inefficiencies and stupidities in the civil society.

it is not completelly ok no? not in hell that im only one realizing this. compare military standards of real militaries.. then u will see whats up. if these standards are also trash.. well. then only underground society.. somewhere.. or aboveground.. secret society.. playing games or what? or what is this bullshit? well u never know, it is usefull to missinform the civil and the enemy.. for some might think it being true.. looking through the cycle of human nature.
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i will try something, start some very small indiegogo project. since its soo small i will be the only one or only second person implementing the project, because otherwise i would have no money to buy some stuff.
Then i will host a little bigger project if successfull. i will also try some animal saving project kinda thing.. but this goes second or third.. or paralell. perhaps more people work on it.
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