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Dex4u 03 Aug 2012, 18:13
If your new to OSDev my advice is forget about x86, Arm is your friend as far as OS Dev goes.
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03 Aug 2012, 18:13 |
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shutdownall 04 Aug 2012, 11:11
XVilka wrote: You misunderstand. Authorization by signature, you mentioned here, just Secure Boot, which can be disabled, and not yet on the market, while uefi already here more than 2years. Check theme, about uefi driver on this board. Sorry - you are obviously right. |
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shutdownall 04 Aug 2012, 11:16
newport wrote: Do you believe that x86 may become a thing of the past (not necessarily completely deprecated) in the next decade or so? Could ARM possibily be the next mainstream? I don't think so. ARM architecture was made for portable computer (smartphones & tablets) with focus at power consumption. Could be a candidate for subnotebooks as well but when you need real power, fast data transfers, PCI-e 3.0, USB 3.0, and so on and using fast graphic cards to play games like Max Payne 3 or similar, use of high resolution screens and desktops I wouldn't expect to see an ARM processor in powerful desktop machines. Okay you never know but in the next years x86 and AMD will be most sold processors for classic PCs. |
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04 Aug 2012, 11:16 |
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Dex4u 04 Aug 2012, 14:57
shutdownall wrote:
I disagree, i am not saying x86 will die over night, but in 5 years time most homes will not have a x86 in them, unless its a number of years old. Example: cutting edge graphic, are no longer possible, because as you move up the scale the difference get less and less but the cost get greater and greater. So for example in the game sys war, the wii won, that's why M$ needed the Kinect, so the next xbox will not be super high graphic. See here: http://www.bgr.com/2012/03/22/arm-based-xbox-lite-coming-in-2013-xbox-360-successor-later-insider-claims/ and trust me, there will be no new xbox360, we seen the last of that type. Last edited by Dex4u on 05 Aug 2012, 15:12; edited 1 time in total |
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XVilka 04 Aug 2012, 19:13
Futhermore, most x86 CPUs will be with additional ARM cores (at least AMD, but i think Intel too) http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/amd-arm-security/
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04 Aug 2012, 19:13 |
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shutdownall 05 Aug 2012, 17:58
Dex4u wrote:
I am not talking about kidding home user spending the whole day in facebook or youtube. It may be, that ARM is available in tablets and smartphones but you won't see them in server hardware or most office computers. Maybe for secretaries only. Look at this list and try to find any supercomputer based on ARM http://i.top500.org/sublist |
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05 Aug 2012, 17:58 |
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shutdownall 05 Aug 2012, 18:13
XVilka wrote: Futhermore, most x86 CPUs will be with additional ARM cores (at least AMD, but i think Intel too) http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/amd-arm-security/ What ? MOST ??? This was just one board presented, what you guess on how much pieces we are talking ? Look here, market shares from IDC. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20120316164155_Intel_Continues_to_Dominate_But_AMD_Managed_to_Slightly_Gain_CPU_Market_Share_in_2011_IDC.html Arm is not listed in the PC market at all, we are talking about 99,9% divorced in INTEL and AMD. It's one point what people hope to will be in the future, another the reality. Of course not all CPU's from Intel are x86 but we are not talking of ARM in this market, not a little little bit. |
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05 Aug 2012, 18:13 |
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XVilka 06 Aug 2012, 07:41
You misunderstand again. ARM will be embedded in CPU crystal, like e.g. memory controller/northbridge stuff/gpu already. So x86 will be more SoC again.
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06 Aug 2012, 07:41 |
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Dex4u 06 Aug 2012, 13:03
shutdownall wrote:
You seem to have mist the point of this topic, we are talking hobby OS Dev's . No one is going to test your hobby OS on a supper computer or main server. How many home will need a supper computer ?. |
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06 Aug 2012, 13:03 |
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smiddy 07 Aug 2012, 02:02
There are plenty of smart phones out there that could use a good OS.
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07 Aug 2012, 02:02 |
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revolution 07 Aug 2012, 02:18
smiddy wrote: There are plenty of smart phones out there that could use a good OS. |
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07 Aug 2012, 02:18 |
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shutdownall 07 Aug 2012, 11:26
XVilka wrote: You misunderstand again. ARM will be embedded in CPU crystal, like e.g. memory controller/northbridge stuff/gpu already. So x86 will be more SoC again. Says who ? You want to say Intel will licence ARM technology for all of their CPU's (or most) ? Why should they do that ? They have the power to introduce own concepts of powerspare concepts. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/intel-we-have-arm-license-no-plans-to-use-it/5845 And of course AMD is out of plan, they use every straw they can get now. I did understand that AMD is planning to use a SoC with an ARM cpu and AMD cpu. But of how many pieces we are talking here ? What market share ? 1% or 2% ? And this will be the end of Intel's dominating period in the PC market ? I don't think so. |
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07 Aug 2012, 11:26 |
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shutdownall 07 Aug 2012, 12:00
Dex4u wrote:
I did not miss, this was just an example. Why the hell should the hobby OSes break the domination of Intel in the PC market ? I didn't catch that point. Regarding your posting: Quote: i am not saying x86 will die over night, but in 5 years time most homes will not have a x86 in them, unless its a number of years old. And if anyone develop a new hobby OS - why should he avoid to run this on a normal PC ? As there are billion of machines running somewhere. |
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JohnFound 07 Aug 2012, 12:55
shutdownall wrote: Why the hell should the hobby OSes break the domination of Intel in the PC market ? There is an old children's song (from a great Bulgarian TV movie) that says: Quote: A sailor wants to be Sorry for the bad translation, but the idea is clear, I hope. _________________ Tox ID: 48C0321ADDB2FE5F644BB5E3D58B0D58C35E5BCBC81D7CD333633FEDF1047914A534256478D9 |
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07 Aug 2012, 12:55 |
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Dex4u 07 Aug 2012, 14:50
shutdownall wrote:
The ? is, why have OS Dev's been mostly coding x86 OS's ?. The answer is nearly every home as one, if in the coming years, theres more ARM device that are cheap, and more Dev info becomes available on bare metal coding, at the same time x86 are more locked. That's why new OS Dev's should code for Arm. I mean my x86 OS is very little used, but i have over 1000 downloads in a month for my Arm OS. |
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07 Aug 2012, 14:50 |
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XVilka 07 Aug 2012, 19:43
Btw, sorry for offtop, Dex4u: you need to try bunch of Allwinner A10 boards, much better than raspberry pi.
shutdownall: because, just wait a year or so... Intel already have embedded uC - ARCtangent A4/A5, it is cheap, but can't handle all proposed stuff, while ARM looks very good for that. |
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07 Aug 2012, 19:43 |
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edfed 07 Aug 2012, 22:39
this topic looks more like a trade discution about what to bet on in the future...
in my opinion, the future will be universal assembly language, where every cpu will respect an ISO instruction encoding(decided arbitrary by some suiss consortium) , and the manufacturers will fight on the circuits and algorithms inside their CPU to be the best. that's the rude law of the nature. |
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07 Aug 2012, 22:39 |
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i-don 08 Aug 2012, 03:38
It will never happened.
If ARM sis going to become full specs like x86 PCs, they had to went through a process of re-inventing the wheel again and wasting time and resources. If you want to promote making hobby firmware for ARM, make installation process as simple as possible to laymen users deploying the firmware/OS like on a PC. Then you could attract more interest in such projects. Since nowadays is an object oriented era, developers and users focus in compiling the new ideas from bunch of ready made modules/objects than rebuilding/rewriting the same low level components and properties over and over again by different people. |
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08 Aug 2012, 03:38 |
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sleepsleep 08 Aug 2012, 04:53
i got a question,
what actually ARM could do, but x86 couldn't do? and what x86 could do, but ARM couldn't do? |
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08 Aug 2012, 04:53 |
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