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JohnFound



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It seems there is a x86 smartphone available.
And the price is not so big...
So, Tomasz, you should think about Android version of FASM. Very Happy

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Post 11 Jul 2012, 19:28
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revolution
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And the free backpack you get with it is just to transport the battery.
Post 11 Jul 2012, 22:25
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No, it is not the case, AFAIK. The specification claims battery life the same as of ARM based smartphones: 14 days of standby, 5h of browsing, 45h audio playback, 8h talk.
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i just hope one day they roll out a smartphone that automatically charge from lights, noise, or etc energy.

or a smartphone that include a crank for manual charge,

or liquid water based battery smartphone, i believe such technologies exist already.
Post 12 Jul 2012, 09:44
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I don't get it - Intel CPU, ARM CPU, but all this phone does, is run Java. Still slow compared to native code, I know revolution partly agrees Smile
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I am not very well grounded in Android. I though it can run ELF binaries. Isn't it?
Post 12 Jul 2012, 14:17
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Madis731



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...but how do you platform-independently share an *.apk to all ISA-s? Is there really both x86 & ARM code in them? I haven't invested time researching it either. I just know that the SDK is in Java (you code in Java).
Post 12 Jul 2012, 19:58
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JohnFound



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Well Windows SDK is in C and there are people that think you can't write assembly program for Windows, but we know it is easy.

So, why not to write assembly programs for Android? Wink
Post 12 Jul 2012, 20:18
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revolution
When all else fails, read the source


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Madis731 wrote:
I don't get it - Intel CPU, ARM CPU, but all this phone does, is run Java. Still slow compared to native code, I know revolution partly agrees Smile
Wrong. I wholly agree. Smile Using Java and JS is like being back to the days of BASIC in every computer. We seem to have come full circle.
JohnFound wrote:
So, why not to write assembly programs for Android? Wink
Is it actually possible to run native code in Android? I know the iSlave devices don't allow it unless you jailbreak it.
Post 13 Jul 2012, 06:47
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If the thing about the running time of the battery is even half true, we will have a big opportunity with a development environment based on fasm and freshlib...
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Is it actually possible to run native code in Android?

Yes, it is possible. I have done some tests in my rooted phone, but when linking with the official NDK tools, the code should also run in unrooted phones.
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JohnFound



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Hi, pelaillo, where did you disappeared?

FreshLib can be easily ported for any decent x86 OS. But one will need low level information for this OS. For example how to call system functions. What these functions are? Int 80h???
There is no X server in Android (and it is good actually) but what are the API functions then?
Anyway, the next year, these phones will be widely used (or dead at all) then we'll have more information.
Post 13 Jul 2012, 19:35
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revolution wrote:
Is it actually possible to run native code in Android? I know the iSlave devices don't allow it unless you jailbreak it.


Yes. Take 4th, for example.
You can run it using Android Terminal Emulator
Post 14 Jul 2012, 07:31
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revolution wrote:
Using Java and JS is like being back to the days of BASIC in every computer.


Java is... well not supported in iOS.

JS, on the other hand, is gaining popularity. Now there is a trend to use Web technologies (JS, HTML 5, CSS 3) for building web apps. For example: PhoneGap. It supports several platform, which is nice:
http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.9.0/guide_getting-started_index.md.html

For non-performant apps, I guess it's okay. Wink
Post 14 Jul 2012, 07:39
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About android, I think they not use Java (or at least is not mandatory), but still may use a VM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_%28software%29
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TmX wrote:
revolution wrote:
Using Java and JS is like being back to the days of BASIC in every computer.


Java is... well not supported in iOS.

JS, on the other hand, is gaining popularity. Now there is a trend to use Web technologies (JS, HTML 5, CSS 3) for building web apps. For example: PhoneGap. It supports several platform, which is nice:
http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.9.0/guide_getting-started_index.md.html

For non-performant apps, I guess it's okay. Wink


Do you think Apple may offer better support for Java on their Mobile Phones in iOS6? Or at least better support for Voip?

Thanks in advance,

Reggie

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Post 08 Aug 2012, 08:11
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TmX



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reggie1 wrote:

Do you think Apple may offer better support for Java in iOS6?


What do you mean by "better support"?
AFAIK, Java has never been supported in iOS, so far. Wink
Post 09 Aug 2012, 07:36
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This phone needs to run windows 8, then we'll talk Wink
Post 09 Aug 2012, 15:08
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