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sleepsleep: Build the experiment and discover the result. You won't know the real answer from asking here because it will always be 50/50 for you.
Post 20 Jun 2017, 02:12
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revolution wrote:

sleepsleep: Build the experiment and discover the result. You won't know the real answer from asking here because it will always be 50/50 for you.

ok boss, Embarassed

in another thought of appreciation, still living, enjoying nice oxygen, hopefully a nice lunch later, made myself some butter breads for breakfast, nice water,

having a cool sleep, thank you my simple bed, yah, thanks to the fan which keep on shower me with nice wind, thanks to plastic chair too, not sure how i gonna sit if without this chair, Embarassed
Post 20 Jun 2017, 03:46
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sleepsleep wrote:
in another thought of appreciation, still living, ...
Yeah, at least a couple of forum members are still willing to reply to your thought experiment.

Start learning the fundamental stuff today -- no more excuses!

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yes boss,

life should be focusing on learning, instead of keep on possessing, Embarassed

great health, ideas, knowledge, basic essential stuffs needed to stay alive, what else,

i got a feeling this thread views is getting higher at a faster rate compare to before, idk who is reading my vitally important things, Laughing Embarassed

i say thank you and i appreciate your time spent in reading my ascii & utf strings,
Post 20 Jun 2017, 15:44
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sleepsleep wrote:
i got a feeling this thread views is getting higher at a faster rate compare to before, idk who is reading my vitally important things, Laughing Embarassed
This is a highly-entertaining thread, thanks to you (and a couple of relentless contributors).

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21st June 2017

- i learn how to drive a forklift, Laughing

- i been busy from noon till late evening, today is a cool day,

- and thanks to relentless contributors too in this thread, thank you very much, Embarassed Embarassed

- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/06/21/stephen-hawking-calls-for-a-return-to-the-moon-as-earths-clock-runs-out/

- Stephen Hawking calls for a return to the moon as Earth’s clock runs out

- and big why?

- http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/asteroid-collision-with-earth-inevitable-say-experts-1715203

- Asteroid Collision With Earth Inevitable, Say Experts

- welcome doom porn, Embarassed
Post 21 Jun 2017, 13:23
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sleepsleep wrote:
- Stephen Hawking calls for a return to the moon as Earth’s clock runs out
Not long ago he said that AI could one day destroy the human race. Then, how come many forum members still firmly believe that AI is good for humanity? Rolling Eyes

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Yeah, let's go to a moon (planet?) that doesn't even have an atmosphere to stop any asteroids, sounds perfectly logical. If we can't stop asteroids on Earth then we won't stop them on the Moon either. So it will hit a major city regardless, no need to sugarcoat it.

YONG wrote:
Not long ago he said that AI could one day destroy the human race. Then, how come many forum members still firmly believe that AI is good for humanity? Rolling Eyes

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Hawking to me is a cultist nut with all of his prophecies and clearly doesn't understand shit about computing/AI/etc. And no, I'm not trolling or trying to sound edgy.

I doubt he is unhappy about say, the British colonizing the Americas and "destroying" the natives. Weren't those "humanity" also? Look at natives as "humanity". Weren't British also "humanity"? So what if they were much more advanced. In the future, if people start to augment themselves with cybernetics, does that make them not "humanity" anymore?

If AI can destroy humanity, then it means the AI is more advanced and superior than the human race. So what's the problem? Is it a problem the British colonized the Americas?

If Hawking wants to prove a point, then he needs to start living like the native americans and ditch all modern technology. He did use that analogy with aliens as well, btw. Otherwise he's just a hypocrite cultist nut who just happens to love his own way of living, but everyone thinks the same in their own world. Including the AI and aliens. You can't come to a consensus on shit like that, because it's flawed from the start. That's how most wars are born and why they exist, that's why humanity is an inferior species than the hypothetical aliens or AI of Hawking -- because humanity is a self-centered collective unable to think outside of their own box.

I speak of aliens, cause he has similar predictions with aliens btw.

But I'm sure the aliens are somehow "bad" for colonizing an inferior species, while humans doing the same with other less advanced humans or animals is perfectly fine. Super scientist there! Very objective indeed.

Now, if humanity did not do the same thing as Hawking predicts aliens/AI would, then I would agree with him that humanity deserves to live compared to the AI/aliens. Because in that case, humans would be more objective and not such a selfish race, which is a trait that deserves recognition.

But right now, it's pure "karma". In this case, AI would be nothing than an extension of current humanity -- just more efficient. Ultimately, isn't better tech all about efficiency? So it's perfectly natural.



PS: You know what'd be cool though? Aliens vs AI. Wink
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Furs wrote:
Yeah, let's go to a moon (planet?) that doesn't even have an atmosphere to stop any asteroids, sounds perfectly logical. If we can't stop asteroids on Earth then we won't stop them on the Moon either. So it will hit a major city regardless, no need to sugarcoat it.
I think that in the long term it is important for the continuation of the species to colonise more moons and planets. While all such bodies are vulnerable to collisions with asteroids and comets, the advantage is realised by having redundant colonies. If, say, plant Earth becomes uninhabitable then perhaps we already have viable back-ups available on Mars and the Moon.

Although the technical challenges of colonising another space rock are considerable. If living on Earth ever does become impossible there would have to be some very well established alternatives already in place else we would likely die out.
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But this was about a "large city" getting nuked by an asteroid. How does a colony on a dead planet help with this at all? In fact it makes it worse due to wasted resources for going to it (even if not much).

I know why they sugarcoat it of course -- just like the "clickbaits", they don't want to say that a city will still get nuked by the asteroid, which is the truth in this scenario, it's as simple as that. Which perhaps makes people feel uncomfortable already, so they avoid telling them a simple fact. I mean, if all people you know (relatives, friends, etc) are on Earth, most people won't give a shit if a bunch of randoms survived on another planet. Everyone you cared for died, anyway.

That said, I do believe it's a complete waste to go on manned missions in outer space right now, due to our technology.

Just fucking send robots to make it more habitable first, if you really want to colonize. Robots can live without an atmosphere and alot of other things, sending humans at this point is a total waste of resources. Make it less "dead" in terms of supporting life before you fucking send life there. Build factories, labs, etc with robots on it, instead of wasting shit on sending humans prematurely.

But alas that isn't as "fashionable" or "cool" to people as "omg humans on Mars even if it's as dead as a fucking space station!" and it's what matters it seems than logic Rolling Eyes One of the reasons I even side with AI over humanity in certain cases.
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I think the idea is that we have to start somewhere. If a large asteroid strikes Earth tomorrow then we're all doomed (which may or may not be a good thing depending upon your POV). But if we have at least some life "out there" then there may be a chance that humans in general could survive as a species. And the sooner you start the sooner you can "protect" the species from annihilation.

It might take 1000 years to get to a point of a sustainable remote colony. Maybe more. But if you delay starting for 1000 years until we are "ready" with all the tech and whatnot it might be too late. And we won't have had the 1000 years of data about what works and what fails to guide the designs.

Personally I don't worry about asteroid strikes. I don't see a problem with another global restart. After all the dinosaurs died to make way for the rise of mammals. Perhaps the next restart will see the rise of something even better. I don't know. But one thing is for sure. I won't care because I will be dead.
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Furs wrote:
Hawking to me is a cultist nut with all of his prophecies and clearly doesn't understand shit about computing/AI/etc.
To you, a lot of people are cultist nuts. Yet, you believe that Trump has the guts to actually do something. When the 200th day of his presidency arrives, I will politely ask you to show me the border wall, which, hopefully, will be more than three bold words on paper. We will see!

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revolution wrote:
But one thing is for sure. I won't care because I will be dead.
How could you be so sure? Given that you fly a lot, your plane may get hit by a small asteroid accidentally. Then you may care ... and you will miss the forum members.

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Furs:
maybe moon got harder surface compare to earth? idk, and probably build underground bunker inside moon? they said moon was an ancient giant spacecraft itself, Embarassed Embarassed empty inside, Laughing

moon is like a backup for earth, as mentioned by revolution, Laughing

Furs wrote:

the British colonizing the Americas and "destroying" the natives. Weren't those "humanity" also? Look at natives as "humanity". Weren't British also "humanity"? So what if they were much more advanced. In the future, if people start to augment themselves with cybernetics, does that make them not "humanity" anymore?

you brought in a nice example regarding humanity, really great if i could deeply ponder about this,..

Furs wrote:
But I'm sure the aliens are somehow "bad" for colonizing an inferior species, while humans doing the same with other less advanced humans or animals is perfectly fine. Super scientist there! Very objective indeed.

point marked, Embarassed

revolution wrote:
If a large asteroid strikes Earth tomorrow then we're all doomed (which may or may not be a good thing depending upon your POV).

Laughing human, any human could go away forever in every moment, even at the moment you are reading this sentence, somebody somewhere on earth already passed away,

not sure why people don't have this kind of, sense of urgency, Laughing and we keep on trading our moment of changes for twisted perceived high valued stuffs, Laughing

i thought about the human rights while driving today morning,
- we could fight for rights, or if we are powerful, we could grant rights to lesser or weak objects,

- a "conscious" must be able to argue why it requires rights, and this is why i don't feel guilty when driving a metal car, or hitting a nail with hammer,

- as i concluded in earlier post, resources must be priority given to those who are able to manage them efficiently,

- group a want to protect their resources, prevent being used by others (a kind of greedy)

- group b want to take over group a resource, (a kind of greedy)

- both group need wisdom to come into a solution that perfect win-win situation for both, this is not much different from a 4GB memory that used by multiple programs all the time inside our computer,

- a right lost its meaning when the one who claim the right couldn't protect its own right,

- an exact situation when a bully walk in and start bully people around,

- you hate bully, but under such situation, you might turn into the role you hate initially, ironically, Laughing Laughing Laughing

- my logic seems to "stuck" at this point, i don't have clue to proceed gracefully, Laughing
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sleepsleep wrote:
i thought about the human rights while driving today morning,
Don't do that again! Keep your eyes on the road while driving. Traffic accidents take lives! Be a responsible driver, please!

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no worry, the tiny brain still could handle these 2 jobs concurrently, Embarassed

This is the Healthiest Water to Drink- Dr Leonard Coldwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRZxYIe6Bv8

filtered water, i think this one is very important, drink from glass bottled only, not plastic bottled water,

i was googling about cellfood, the sulfuric acid that people drink to triggered their body immune system into emergency mode, and thus, probably heal at a faster rate? idk, maybe, i guess, 50/50 here,
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sleepsleep wrote:
no worry, the tiny brain still could handle these 2 jobs concurrently, Embarassed
Yes, the brain can handle many things at once. But a little distraction can slow down your reaction time significantly, which may have grave consequences.

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i admit, i actually failed to program my mind to focus on single job, Embarassed Embarassed

it simply beyond what i could control, Embarassed it runs wild,

i got a nice dream just now, kidna weird, why she appears in my dream? and why we are having a great time?

there was 2 figures, not sure if they are male or female, but somehow i desire to know more about them,

then i was in some college or varsity compound, and this girl helped me log into this system, using her dad credential,

while exploring the system, i clicked on a folder, it loads up a spreadsheet with A2 and A3 cell filled with 4 digits number, A1 was description, i think

then some other Embarassed moment continue in dream with me and her,

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the issue is after i woke up, then i ask myself, why i didn't remember the 4 digits number in A2 and A3 cell,

then i suddenly realize,

this might be the prove of dreaming (life by default is in dreaming mode), if let say i ask myself now, why i did or did not do something yesterday, it could probably be, my yesterday day/moment was entirely in dreaming mode,

to stay in current, or in this moment, i might ask myself, what the "future" self would ask regarding the state of me at this moment,
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revolution wrote:
I think the idea is that we have to start somewhere. If a large asteroid strikes Earth tomorrow then we're all doomed (which may or may not be a good thing depending upon your POV). But if we have at least some life "out there" then there may be a chance that humans in general could survive as a species. And the sooner you start the sooner you can "protect" the species from annihilation.
Highly doubtful, considering the Moon or Mars are much more susceptible to asteroids since they have no atmosphere in the first place. Would make more sense to protect our "best" spaceship instead. Because whether or not the "species" survives in the long run, it doesn't change the fact that the Earth will be supposedly gone.

If we lack the tech to protect the Earth what makes you think we'll have it on Mars or the Moon?

sleepsleep wrote:
Laughing human, any human could go away forever in every moment, even at the moment you are reading this sentence, somebody somewhere on earth already passed away,

not sure why people don't have this kind of, sense of urgency, Laughing and we keep on trading our moment of changes for twisted perceived high valued stuffs, Laughing
Maybe because:
Quote:
The UNICEF estimates that an average of 353,000 babies are born each day around the world.

Makes human life and death seem like just a statistic. Wink
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sleepsleep wrote:
... this girl helped me log into this system, using her dad credential,
Wow, the girl must have a crush on you. So, in real life, you must have lots of "interactions" with many resourceful girls.

Wink
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