flat assembler
Message board for the users of flat assembler.

Index > Projects and Ideas > Asm driven CMS.

Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author
Thread Post new topic Reply to topic
revolution
When all else fails, read the source


Joined: 24 Aug 2004
Posts: 17716
Location: In your JS exploiting you and your system
revolution
JohnFound wrote:
Now it keeps the active subdirectory open ...
Clearly I was unable to convince you that menu driven webpages are a bad idea and reduce usability. Sad
Post 02 Jun 2012, 13:45
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
revolution wrote:
Clearly I was unable to convince you that menu driven webpages are a bad idea and reduce usability. Sad


Well, I don't think so. The tree menu allows user to browse only the part of the information, but in the same time to have clear picture of the whole.
This approach actually increase usability.

Not for nothing, all applications that need to display big amount of items, tent to use some hierarchical presentation of the lists and to use tree view display.

What is your idea for the best navigation method in the site with big amount of pages?

_________________
Tox ID: 48C0321ADDB2FE5F644BB5E3D58B0D58C35E5BCBC81D7CD333633FEDF1047914A534256478D9
Post 02 Jun 2012, 15:54
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
shutdownall



Joined: 02 Apr 2010
Posts: 518
Location: Munich
shutdownall
JohnFound wrote:

What is your idea for the best navigation method in the site with big amount of pages?


Well - what does Google do to let the people browse in the big database ?

A (indexed) search function. Wink
Post 03 Jun 2012, 00:27
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
Search is not navigation. It is different function.
Post 03 Jun 2012, 03:50
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
Enko



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 678
Location: Mar del Plata
Enko
I think it's a preaty good aproach. Similar to msdn, but without the frames, more original, same usage.
Post 03 Jun 2012, 05:21
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
shutdownall



Joined: 02 Apr 2010
Posts: 518
Location: Munich
shutdownall
JohnFound wrote:
Search is not navigation. It is different function.


This is just your point of view.
Search is a valid method of navigation.
Even if you have large databases, a general navigation may not make sense under all conditions.

For example, if you have a telephone book, you could try to find navigation criteria by name beginning with first letter oder by street or even by number for reverse search. The point is, that the customer may find your structure not convenient for HIS point of view. A (good) search function is more flexible, more than a standard navigation ever could be.

But it's really dependend on your data. But you asked for big amount of pages whatever is big for you. Maybe maybe thousand, maybe million. Wink
Post 03 Jun 2012, 10:53
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
There definitely will be implemented search engine for MiniMagAsm. But not for version 1.0, unless someone wants to implement it.
Post 03 Jun 2012, 13:25
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
edfed



Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 4242
Location: 2018
edfed
the asm database engine is comming to be a need now Smile

i work a little on mysql db, and the records seems to be a ugly shit, as long as the .db file is growing, the requests become really slow, inducing some "dangerous" operations like periodic depository, hard dirve use intensive, more than tens of thousands writes per hour. meaning the hard drive will see his life shortened, and making usb or ssd drive completelly unusable for this purpose.

imagine a usb boot with all the "website" onto, it will die in less than some hours. then, need a good database engine, in asm of course. Smile
Post 05 Jun 2012, 19:13
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
edfed, you should try SQLite. It is not server database, but it is really small and pretty fast. (well, as fast as SQL RDBE can be).

Actually it is the only database engine, that worth to be used with assembly projects.

But you are right - good assembly database will be great. If we have to write a wish list, there will be hundreds of programs that need to be rewritten from scratch in assembly. Good vector drawing editor, good office package, web browser, database engine, etc. etc.
Post 05 Jun 2012, 19:27
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
Enko



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 678
Location: Mar del Plata
Enko
In my work, I have a little php program for controling service orders. I use easyPhp 1.8 (really old version)
It has an old version of mysql, where the BIN folder is 6.85MB, and i never had any problem at all. The DATA folder of the datebase is 30mb, explorted the datebase it hase 8000 entries in the main table and its only 500kb ziped.
Of course it´s a single user application, so I can´t tell about the real load.
Post 05 Jun 2012, 19:59
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
SQLite is 500KB single DLL. But even 500KB library is too big if you use it with 50KB assembly program (what is a big project for assembly).
Post 05 Jun 2012, 20:08
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
Enko



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 678
Location: Mar del Plata
Enko
Do you save all your projects on a floppy disk?
And I don´t talk about a 3" 1/4, but a 5" 1/2 with the B face broken. xD
Code:
JFsql>SELECT * FROM miniMagAsm WHERE TITLE LIKE 'fasm';
JFsql>QUERY PERFORMED IN 2MS, data not found. Insert disk 2A
JFsql>READING FLOPPY. FETCHING DATA. PERFORMED 1min
JFsql>QUERY PERFORMED IN 2MS, data not found. Insert disk 2B
JFsql>READING FLOPPY. FETCHING DATA. PERFORMED 1min
JFsql>QUERY PERFORMED IN 2MS, data not found. Insert disk 3A
JFsql>READING FLOPPY. FETCHING DATA. PERFORMED 1min
JFsql>QUERY PERFORMED IN 2MS, data not found. Insert disk 3B
JFsql>ERROR: DISK CORRUPTED
JFsql>data not found. NO MORE DISK AVAIBLE
JFsql>QUITE
    


I know what you wan´t to say, but to have to write a real universal database engine and make it stable is a really hard work using any compiler/assembler.
Post 05 Jun 2012, 20:20
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
It was edfed's idea not my. Wink
I plan a web browser, but have no enough free time. Very Happy
Post 05 Jun 2012, 20:51
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
edfed



Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 4242
Location: 2018
edfed
i think a assembly database engine should not be made around a single file, but on a file system tree, each table being a folder, discomposed in 512 bytes (or 512^n bytes) elements.

then, it will force to improve the file system access and structure, and then, the hard drive access, that will give a really good file system, and a very simple database engine over that.

i think it is important to limit the number of layers before to reach the usefull datas when dealing with assembly.

means that a file system should be designed especially for assembly programming, with structures closer to the hardware than what we can find in current file systems.

technically, the sectors for a single table, or a single database should be in a linear adress space, translated to LBA, and transparent when used in ram or in drive.

i am currently working on it (since 2006 now Smile ) and it my version will be based on fool structures.
Post 06 Jun 2012, 09:06
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
Enko



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 678
Location: Mar del Plata
Enko
I´ve seen the last updates, the logo looks better xD
And the site renders wonderful Smile
Post 14 Jun 2012, 22:36
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
Enko wrote:
I´ve seen the last updates, the logo looks better xD
And the site renders wonderful Smile


I am glad you like it. Smile
The CMS is now almost finished, at least in its first version. I am trying to use fossil for version control of the articles, but have some troubles with it.
Also, the markdown parser needs some more work.

_________________
Tox ID: 48C0321ADDB2FE5F644BB5E3D58B0D58C35E5BCBC81D7CD333633FEDF1047914A534256478D9
Post 14 Jun 2012, 23:12
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
Enko



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 678
Location: Mar del Plata
Enko
JohnFound, I was looking for a fasm cgi example on linux and found this post
http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=14234
Laughing
You grow up very fast.
Post 16 Jun 2012, 00:41
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
Ah,yes. I remember this thread. Actually it triggered the development of MiniMagAsm.
But I didn't purchased the hosting. I set my own server up. (I am proud of myself - 26 days up now)
So, did I grew up? Wink
Post 16 Jun 2012, 03:55
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
Enko



Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 678
Location: Mar del Plata
Enko
Quote:
So, did I grew up?

No. You cheated like Peter Pan. ^^
Post 16 Jun 2012, 13:33
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
JohnFound



Joined: 16 Jun 2003
Posts: 3502
Location: Bulgaria
JohnFound
Added "Edit page" function - look at the end of the main menu.
It still can't save the edited file to the disk, but it works in "preview" mode. The engine will render the edited page without saving it to the disk.

So, the visitor now can play with the MiniMagAsm markup language in order to check its features and simply for fun.

Later I will implement the password protected features for creating new articles, deleting the old one and saving the changes to the server disk.
Post 17 Jun 2012, 12:28
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website ICQ Number Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:
Post new topic Reply to topic

Jump to:  
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

< Last Thread | Next Thread >
Forum Rules:
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Copyright © 1999-2020, Tomasz Grysztar. Also on GitHub, YouTube, Twitter.

Website powered by rwasa.